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PostPosted: October 18, 2004 10:25 PM 

No Seinfeld at 7:00 or 11:00 on FOX when baseball's on !!! Evil or Very Mad
I can't wait for it to be over ! Crying or Very Sad

Jimmy


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PostPosted: October 19, 2004 6:12 AM 

Baseball's for homosexuals who enjoy watching grown men in pajamas fighting each other over a little ball for no reason (Not that there's anything wrong with that). They'll never grow out of it because they fear rejection from evolved people.

O'Brien
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: October 19, 2004 9:23 AM 

Amen! I had to stay up until nearly 1am to catch Seinfeld last night....yeah, that's right someone here is dedicated!!

VegetableLasagna
Master of my Domain

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PostPosted: October 19, 2004 7:11 PM 

That's just unnecessary Jimmy. You could just say that you don't like baseball and be done with it, but you have to call people gay if they like baseball?? You're calling millions and millions of people gay, most of whom are probably not. (I'm sure there's the occasional gay baseball fan, but not too many) I always liked you Jimmy, you are quite funny, but being a baseball fan, who isn't gay, I find that insulting, and unnecessay and just plain stupid. I also don't fear rejection, which makes no sense, and in my opinion, has nothing to do with anything you were talking about and makes sound even dumber(to me).

BTW I think I might have spelled unnecessary wrong.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: October 20, 2004 12:35 AM 

I take extreme umbrage at baseball fans being called gay. Unless, they are Red Sux fans. Then they are gay AND ugly.

WFUDeacon
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: October 20, 2004 12:55 AM 

Wait a second whats the series now? greatest comeback of all time

Gack
Wigmaster

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PostPosted: October 20, 2004 5:38 AM 


i'm more surprised that people are taking offense to being generalized as gay, rather than taking offense to the word "gay" being used in a derogatory manner.

(go sox.)

moops
Pigman

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PostPosted: October 20, 2004 12:15 PM 

What kind of name is "Gack"?

Denim Vest
Cockeyed Optimist

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PostPosted: October 20, 2004 12:41 PM 

I think its Dutch.

DV

VegetableLasagna
Master of my Domain

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PostPosted: October 20, 2004 6:32 PM 

"Wait a second whats the series now? greatest comeback of all time"

Yes Deacon, it is the greatest comeback of all time.

moops
Pigman

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PostPosted: October 21, 2004 10:16 AM 

George (Steinbrenner) is getting upset!

WFUDeacon
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: October 21, 2004 10:22 AM 

It is completed Very Happy

O'Brien
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: October 21, 2004 12:28 PM 

Gack,
The reason people take offense to being thought of as gay is BECAUSE they all consider "you're gay" to be a derogatory statement.

Homophobia = the fear of being called gay.

Gendison
Bad Breaker Upper

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PostPosted: October 21, 2004 12:50 PM 

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to be called gay if you're not gay. It doesn't make you homophobic or narrow minded. I'm not gay and if someone called me gay, i would correct them and tell them I'm not, because I don't want to be called something that I am not. If someone said to me "I hate pizza and anyone that eats it must be Italian" I would correct them and say that I am not Italian but I dig pizza. Or if someone said "I hate all hip hop music, only black people listen to that crap." I would take offence and correct them. Doesn't mean I have anything against Italian or Afro-Americans...but simply because I'm not...So if you call me gay, I will abslolutely correct you and tell you I'm not.

O'Brien
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: October 21, 2004 1:06 PM 

Sure, correct people if they are wrong....if you feel it is important for people to know your sexual orientation (it is, after all, nobody's business but your own). I'm sure gay folks are constantly correcting those who incorrectly label them as hetero??
The issue is that people get freaked out because they consider someone has insulted them when they are called gay. It is not an insult to be called gay. Using your example it would be as if you took offense if someone called you Italian. Like if it was said that all baseball fans are Italian....I don't think anyone would freak out at that comment in the same way. Or conversely if Jimmy had said "baseball's for heterosexuals" who would have gotten pissed? All the gays who watch baseball would have taken offense? I'm not so sure. What chew think Gendi?

Gendison
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PostPosted: October 21, 2004 1:41 PM 

"I'm sure gay folks are constantly correcting those who incorrectly label them as hetero" -O'brien.

Actually, yes most of them probably are. Lots of gay folks are very in your face about it. It's funny how it's ok to announce that you're gay, as if it's anyone's business, like you say. But if I was a celebrity and was on a talk show and said "Just for the record, I'm straight", people would bash the hell out of me for being so-called "homophobic". But when a gay celebrity comes out of the "closet" and announces to the world that they're gay, everyone applauds them for their honesty and bravery. It's a double standard. If you really think that it's nobody's business (which I agree with you about by the way), then why in the hell do we need "Gay Parades"...Why not have "Straight Parades"??? Personally, I think you should have sex with whoever you want (other than children of course), but why do you have to have a parade about it???
All that said, you're damn right I'm going to correct someone if they call me gay.

O'Brien
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: October 21, 2004 2:48 PM 

I just want to clarify that I don't think people are homophobic if they state that they are heterosexual. My issue is when people take offense to being called gay as if they'd been called an asshole. Ironically, this topic is exactly what was being addressed in "The Outing"; the trouble with "defending" your sexual orientation without "offending" those who don't share that orientation.
Jerry and George don't want to be thought of as gay as they are aware of the repercussions of such a proclamation....the potential discrimination or the trauma their parents go through with that realization. The point is that no one should have to defend their sexuality. It just should not matter one way or another who you sleep with or love. It is for these reasons that there are Gay Pride marches as opposed to Hetero Pride marches. You see, heteros are rarely discriminated against due to who they chose to bed. Heteros have the right to legally marry in the U.S. When civil rights are hindered because of who you are....maybe you deserve a parade? Same with Black Pride marches and Latino Pride marches. These are oppressed groups in our society....white, hetero males.....not so much oppressed. But Gendison I feel what you are saying and want you to repeat this mantra at your parade....I'm here, I'm not queer, but I love all people no matter who they love. Straight but not narrow, right?

Moops
Pigman

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PostPosted: October 21, 2004 2:56 PM 

I think Jerry Seinfeld handled this subject best when he said "Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

Gendison
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PostPosted: October 21, 2004 4:01 PM 

O'brien...great post, you articulated it perfectly. I guess I can just add that the reason I would usually take offence at being called gay is because it's usually because when someone calls another person gay, they usually do mean it as a derogoraty thing. If someone simply asks me if I'm gay (or straight), I would simply reply that I'm not gay and not be offended. I guess it's how it's meant that would determine the reaction.

And as long as we're discussing it, I have to say that the contradiction with "Gay Pride Parades" or just simply "Gay Pride" is that it condradicts how a lot of gay people claim they want to be seen by society. I'm sure that a lot of gay people would like everyone to see them as being exactly the same as straight people with the exception that they enjoy sex with people who "own the same equipment". Yet, at the same time, there is supposed to be a so-called "gay culture". Well, which one is it? You can't have it both ways (oops...that's bisexual). You can't say you're not different or distinct, and you're not a seperate "people", yet at the same time talk about your "culture" as if you are a seperate "people". It's a contradiction. It's not the same as African Americans or Native Americans, etc...Because these nationlities and races are a "people".

O'Brien
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: October 21, 2004 4:31 PM 

Gendison, you rock! I am so glad we've been able to keep this touchy topic so civilized! I agree that people use "gay" in a rude or derogatory way. I say take the harm out of the word. The best way to do that is not take offense. And hey, keep em' wondering is my motto!

I agree that it seems a contradiction that everyone wants to be treated equally but seen as distinct. I think any marginalized "culture" or race or group has to create their own safe place. This may be the "gay culture" that you refer to. Think about African Americans with Ebonics or "Rap Culture", this is a reaction to being oppressed by the dominant culture. When most of society rejects or criticizes you then you must find peace and refuge in "your group" and that may mean adopting a separate "culture" from the mainstream in order to feel you are an accepted part of the world you live in. If the world does not accept you for who you are then create your own.

Great chat! Keep watching, quoting and lovin' every minute of it!

Cosmo 87
Rabid Anti-Dentite

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PostPosted: October 21, 2004 9:40 PM 

BASEBALL ROCKS!! (topic of this thread) Laughing

Interesting converstion though, Gendison and O' Brien. (not sarcastic)

Good comeback Sox! Very Happy

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