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petro







PostPosted: July 22, 2004 2:41 PM 

Hi people,

(first of all I'm not from the States or from any other country where english is spoken so please try to overlook any grammatical mistakes. Including this parenthesis)

I don't know if anybody has ever mentioned this subject, but I really need to know how most of you think about the clothes that the actors are wearing at Seinfeld. I don't know if they chose them by their own or if they are just given to them, but I really do think they are AWFUL.
The only person who dresses himself with style is Kramer.
Although I have to say that Jerry was dressed throughout all the seasons terrible. So I can see a consistence which I appreciate. Concerning Elaine her clothing was really awful in the first seasons and it got a little better with the last few seasons. Not to mention her haircut!!! So, bad.
I really like Seinfeld a lot. Actually it is my favorite Sitcom. There is no other like Seinfeld. But I really think that fact that Seinfeld never became that popular in Europe as it deserves is due to the clothing. But this is just my opinion.
AND NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT...

So what do you think about that?

petro
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PostPosted: July 22, 2004 2:44 PM 

Hi people,

(first of all I'm not from the States or from any other country where english is spoken so please try to overlook any grammatical mistakes. Including this parenthesis)

I don't know if anybody has ever mentioned this subject, but I really need to know how most of you think about the clothes that the actors are wearing at Seinfeld. I don't know if they chose them by their own or if they are just given to them, but I really do think they are AWFUL.
The only person who dresses himself with style is Kramer.
Although I have to say that Jerry was dressed throughout all the seasons terrible. So I can see a consistence which I appreciate. Concerning Elaine her clothing was really awful in the first seasons and it got a little better with the last few seasons. Not to mention her haircut!!! So, bad.
I really like Seinfeld a lot. Actually it is my favorite Sitcom. There is no other like Seinfeld. But I really think that fact that Seinfeld never became that popular in Europe as it deserves is due to the clothing. But this is just my opinion.
AND NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT...

Cosmo 87
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PostPosted: July 22, 2004 4:27 PM 

Hmmmmm.....interesting post. Never really thought about their clothes. I think they all represent the characters. George in his sweats means he's lazy, in a suit, he's a fake, he's not really working. Elaine's haircut is a little BIGHEAD, but that means she's diffenrent. Kramer's clothes are stylish in their own way, he's expressive, unique, gets into the weirdest situation (clothes and situation of 'The Wig Master"-the one where he looks like a pimp), and Jerry's clothes are very simple, he's pretty simple, they all look very neat and tucked (his shirts), and that represents his girlfriends kinda, they gotta be clean, neat, and orderly, regular, not weird.

Gendison
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PostPosted: July 22, 2004 4:38 PM 

Oh well, Seinfeld didn't catch on in Europe because of the clothes, and soccer (football) will never catch on in North America because of the ridiculous faking of injuries....Personally, I'll take Seinfeld any day.

Denim Vest
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PostPosted: July 22, 2004 4:55 PM 

Kramer's Lobster shirt is a classic.
George in the 40 short, swishy suit
Elaine looked pretty good in the Indian Outfit during the wedding in THe Betrayal.
People think Jerry is gay because he is thin and neat.

DV

petro
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 6:04 AM 

Actually I really don't think that Seinfeld isn't that popular in Europe because of the clothing. It was just an assumption. I really don't understand why stupid (in my opinion) sitcoms like FRIENDS are more succesful here. I just can't laugh when I watch it. The jokes are so predictable and they are all the same. I think most people like to laugh about simple jokes they understand and which they don't have to think about.
On the other hand in many countries here in Europe american movies are synchronized (is this the right word?). Although most things you cannot translate properly in other languages. So the meaning gets lost. The result: it isn't funny. Just stupid. Seinfeld is only funny when you watch it in original. It means more work but it's worth every effort.
Plus it increases your skills in english language. But that doesn't concern you people.

So enjoy.

petro
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 6:13 AM 

By the way Gendison speaking of faking injuries, why do American people like American Wrestling?

Gendison
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 7:28 AM 

Nice try Petro. But not good enough. American wrestling is "entertainment", and doesn't pretend to be a "real" sport. Besides the fact that these guys are actually incredible athletes to be doing what they're doing and sometimes do actually get hurt, when they fake an injury, it's part of a show. The WWE (formerly WWF) doesn't hide the fact that the outcomes are pre-determined and calls itself "sports entertainment". The participants acknowledge publicly that they are playing characters and they spend as much time acting as they do actually wrestling.
You're trying to compare apples and oranges. The fact is, most North Americans will never have respect for a sport that has no honour and accepts players that act like they're dying just because someone barely touched them, delaying a game for 15 minutes while everyone on both teams and the audience knows he's going to get up and run full speed as soon as a foul is called and play resimes.
Having said that, i totally agree with you about "Friends', as predictable and "formula" as any show in the history of the world. But. like you said, the average idiot would rather not have to think.

rio
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 11:59 AM 

Damn it! I wrote this long post and I lost it.

Anyway... Petro, by 'synchronized' did you mean 'translated'? I never thought about the influence of clothing on the show, it really makes a lot of sense.

Gendison, I don't mean to start a big thing here, but you must not have played or watched soccer enough to fully understand it. There's a reason why soccer is by far the most popular sport in the World (and why, say, American Football, has created no interest outside USA). Soccer is a sport of elegance, collective strategy, and individual skill. Europeans and South Americans (like myself), to mention a few, share a certain passion for soccer that americans just plain don't have for ANY sport.
As far as 'faking injuries' goes, again, it seems to me that you don't really understand soccer well enough (nothing wrong with that, by the way.) It should be very clear if a play was a foul or not. There's a professional referee following the gameplay closely, and for the most part, he knows whether or not an injury was faked. Most faked injuries are not even sanctioned by the referee (thus not stopping the gameplay), and those that slip and are sanctioned usually don't delay the game for any more than 10 seconds (15 minutes? Give me a break!)
As far as soccer being a sport with no 'honour' (by which I think you meant 'honor'), that's another huge bogus statement on your behalf. Soccer is a no-contact sport. Players are not supposed to touch one another. Sometimes what appears as though the player was 'barely touched', can actually be a significant foul, especially if it disrupts the player's momentum. So do players ever fake injuries and get away with it? Of course they do, but not nearly as often as you may think. And to use that fact as a basis for not respecting soccer seems very arbitrary to me.
I don't mean to be disrespectful or to stir up any controversy here, but I was actually a bit offended by your remarks, and felt the need to establish a counter-argument.

Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Gendison
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 12:45 PM 

Well, i have to answer that and apologise for going way off-topic. I acknowledge that i did start it by making a reference to soccer in the first place.
First of all, one of the dumbest things anyone can do if they're trying to make a point about something is make assumptions without knowing what they're talking about. I played soccer most of my life and was considered a very good player. I love playing it, so your theory about me not understanding it goes down the drain. Just because i played it doesn't mean i have to like everything about it. The "faking injuries" part of the sport is inexcusable and does lack ZHONOUR (there are 2 ways to spell it and that is one of them, look it up here, Einstein: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=honour). And your point about it being a non-contact sport is totally irrelevant. Basketball and baseball are also non-contact sports, what's your point? All i was doing was trying to explain why it will never catch on in the U.S., I never said i hated the sport, and I do have a great understanding of it. Oh, and before you make any other false assumptions, I do not live, and was not born in the United States, so I don't know what the relevance of your "American Football" refernce was. Have a nice day and....long live Seinfeld.

Gendison
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 12:46 PM 

oops...typo on the word "HONOUR" up above http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=honour

rio
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 1:19 PM 

Well then I must apologize for both my assupmtions that you had not played soccer, and that you were American (which was also why I thought you meant to say 'honor'.) I was certainly not trying to attack you, only defend what I thought was an ignorant bashing of soccer (which I now realize wasn't so). I think because a few players fake injuries here and there does not make the sport have no honor... it makes the player have no honor, if anything. But then again, there are dishonest players in most sports, to some degree.
Long live Seinfeld, yes. Cool

Buck Naked
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 2:13 PM 

It all started when Gendison did the typical IGNORANT American bulshit. He has to comment upon something rio proved he knows nothing about, and think were going to listen to it. Cmon man do you have to be so fkin ignorant, Im sure the Euro. dfon't understand baseball as much as you, but you don't see them bashing a sport they don't understand( by the way im sure many Euro love baseball, just like many Americans love soccer). Whatever though, it just pisses me off to see such ignorance...Ignorance is what starts wars, and arguments today and throughout history. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Lol look at the war in Irac today, there was no weapons, the Americans were just following their ignorant tradition. O well tho, and by the way im not from Europe myself, I Am Canadian. Wink

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 2:33 PM 

..coming from someone who has just posted one of the most ignorant rants to ever appear on this site. Your stereotypical summation of "ignorant" Americans and their "ignoratnt" traditions is the stuff that wars are made of, not correctly or incorrectly characterizing the merits of a particular sport.

Gendison
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 2:54 PM 

Hehe...right on Mr. Chiles. It's funny that how someone is trying to come off like he's above doing things that "start wars" when he starts his ignorant rant putting down people (in this case Americans). It also shows that he doesn't take the time to listen or read, because i said i'm not American, but he thought he was insulting me by putting down Americans. Some people...hehe...It's funny how this went from me making a comment on a sport (not a race or nationality, etc...) and has reached the point of someone putting down a whole country, and in the same breath trying to tell everyone else how ingnorant everyone but he is. THAT's what starts wars!!!
Personally, i have alot more respect for RIO and Petro because they were able to discuss something we didn't agree on without crying like babies about it...How about that Seinfeld, huh?

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 3:15 PM 

Straying wholly off-topic, please indulge me so that I might add directly to the soccer question after offering a bit of background.

Baseball was my game, having played through DI college ball. However, having traveled throughout the world, I am intimately familiar with the game the rest of the globe calls football (meaning you can't use your hands).

My son, though currently a stand-out player in DII college baseball, played club soccer from the time he was about 8, all the way through high school - and I mean at the highest level of competition. At all levels of play, the forwards and strikers were EXPRESSLY coached to feign being tripped up at the slightest tough with "simulated" injury being paramount - especially during a critical point in play. I have spoken to a good number of folks from Italy, England, Brazil, Ecuador, and Mexico who agree that this is a part and parcel aspect of the game (lest anyone try to dismiss this tactic as an "ignorant American" approach.

To claim otherwise seems uninformed, naive, or simply disingenuous.

End-o-rant! Smile

Jose
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 3:40 PM 

"Seinfeld didn't catch on in Europe because of the clothes" ?? Give me a break, Seinfeld aired on most Euro countries and it was a hit and still is where is aired, the problem is we don't have syndication so many people never saw the show when it was first aired, that's a shame really, btw Seinfeld worldwide aired in 90 countries.

rio
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 3:47 PM 

Man, this thread turned out to be rather exciting, don't you all think? Smile
I think what's funny is when a player fakes an injury and the referee calls on his BS. Then it backfires and the player receives a yellow card. I think if anything that adds a little excitment to the game, because plays like that can stir up controversy and make the spectators use their judgement every time.
On a side note, Brazil and Argentina play this Sunday the final of the South American Cup, it's gonna be awesome.
Gendison, again, I'm sorry I got you all wrong. It's always rewarding to come across people with better arguing skills than my own. Razz

I think I had a dream about Seinfeld last nigh. No, wait... I didn't.

rio
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 3:48 PM 

Man, this thread turned out to be rather exciting, don't you all think? Smile
I think what's funny is when a player fakes an injury and the referee calls on his BS. Then it backfires and the player receives a yellow card. I think if anything that adds a little excitment to the game, because plays like that can stir up controversy and make the spectators use their judgement every time.
On a side note, Brazil and Argentina play this Sunday the final of the South American Cup, it's gonna be awesome.
Gendison, again, I'm sorry I got you all wrong. It's always rewarding to come across people with better arguing skills than my own. Razz

I think I had a dream about Seinfeld last nigh. No, wait... I didn't.

Gendison
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PostPosted: July 23, 2004 6:01 PM 

I'm loving this thread...it's a thread about nothing!!!
Anyway, I certainly didn't meant to offend anyone and it's infortunate that my statement about a sport somehow could have seemed to imply that there was a racist aspect to my comments, because that's the last thing i'm about. For the record, I was born in Egypt, I live in Canada, my girlfriend's is Jewish....and Slovak(!), and my brother's wife is Italian, so I can confidently say that the last thing i would judge anyone on is where they come from.
Having said that, don't piss me off because i have to go pick up my dry cleaning from Pincus...All together now...."Serenity Now".

petro
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PostPosted: July 24, 2004 2:29 PM 

for RIO

yes, by synchronized I meant translated. Not with subtitles (as it should be), but Seinfeld has a german voice. terrible.

for JOSE

by saying Seinfeld didn't catch because of the clothes I tried to be ironic. I failed, sorry for that. But believe it or not, people in Europe like to see well dressed actors on TV. They attach great importance to that. Maybe more than American people do.
That's why I started this thread to see if anybody was aware of this fact. I just find it very intersting.

to GENDISON

I respect your opinion about soccer.
But I don't think that this is the reason why soccer will never catch in North America. The reason is (and this is again my opinion), that Americans don't have a good soccer team (I don't intend to offend anyone). Why do you think people in Brazil are crazy about soccer? Because they have the best players in the world and they are proud of it. Europe also has a few great teams. France, Czech Republik, England, Spain, Portugal, Germany (not at the moment)etc. So if a team is succesful, there are more people who will watch the games. More people watching the games means more money. sports that bring money are more supported by the media etc.
For example, greece used to have the worst soccer team in Europe. But a few weeks ago at the european championship, they won. they are now european champions. nobody expected that. During the EC, greek people who were never interested in soccer, never in their whole life, were starting to watch all the games. And I am sure that these days a lot of greek young boys will start to play soccer. Everyone knows about the faking of injuries this is why they have a referee. But hey, this is part of the game.
And as I said this is how I think about it.

So, can now anyone tell me why Dolores rhymes with a part of the female body? And which part is it? I don't get that. Anyone explain, please?

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