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PostPosted: September 8, 2004 11:35 PM 

I know this was done before and there was no real consensus but I believe that he is Jewish for the following reasons

when watley tells jerry and george that he is jewish i think george goes "welcome aboard" which would imply that he is jewish and also he is based on Larry David who is also Jewish
Any comments.........???

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PostPosted: September 8, 2004 11:57 PM 

Well, Frank was Catholic since Kramer used Frank's ties with his lodge (Knights of columbus) for the Jewish singles festivities. We know that George converted to Latvian Orthodox, at least for a time, but we really don't know beyond, or prior to that time. I don't recall George saying "welcome aboard", but maybe.

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PostPosted: September 8, 2004 11:58 PM 

In one episode, George openly says he doesn't believe in God (except for the bad stuff) when talking to his therapist. In another episode he converts to Latvian Orthodox. I don't think he's Jewish, though. I'm not sure they ever say what he is.

Carl
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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 1:11 AM 

"when watley tells jerry and george that he is jewish i think george goes "welcome aboard" which would imply that he is jewish and also he is based on Larry David who is also Jewish
Any comments.........???"

also it is Jerry that says welcome aboard, not George

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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 1:36 AM 

George is Jewish? No way.

Bean
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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 1:40 AM 

I recall Frank telling Elaine a story about himself on a business trip in Korea, where he mentioned that the reverend Sung Yung Mu (not exactly sure of the correct spelling) purchased a Jesus statuette from him. This would imply the George's father is not Jewish, but doesn't say much for Estelle.

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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 5:03 AM 

At the risk of upsetting seven (again), it's Jerry, not George, who says "welcome aboard". George is NOT Jewish, it's been covered in a pretty long thread recently. He was born Roman Catholic, as proven by the fact that his Dad, who's Italian, mentions his "Knights of Columbus" lodge. He converst to Latvian Orthodox and we never see him un-convert, so he's probably still Latvian Orthodox whether he likes it or not. Also, at one point, his psychiatrist says to him "I thought you said you didn't believe in God", and George responds "I do for the bad stuff".

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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 9:05 AM 

The Jewish people in my area don’t celebrate Christmas and at one time the Costanza’s did celebrate Christmas until Frank had a problem buying a doll and created Festivus. I say no to the Costanza’s being Jewish.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 11:12 AM 

Gendison, you basically said the same thing that I did earlier in the thread. Is that your Lloyd Braun way of saying I was wrong?! Bwahahahaha! Smile

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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 11:22 AM 

I believe Estelle to be Jewish. She says she won't ride in a German car. She plays Mah Jong (like a lot of Jewish women in my neighborhood growing up). This would technically make George Jewish even though he wasn't brought up in the faith.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 11:49 AM 

But, Walter, she also says that she won't take advice from a woman from Long Island! HA! Smile

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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 11:59 AM 

Sorry Jackie, didn't mean to repeat what you said. But, as witnessed by the fact that even after repeating what you said, people are still insisting he's Jewish, I guess we can repeat something a million times and people will still get it wrong. The fact is this. The Costanza's are Italain and Roman Catholic. Ever since George converted, he is Latvian Orthodox. Those aren't my opinions, they're facts. Just because someone says they won't drive a German car is not PROOF that they're Jewish. Other nationalities and faiths didn't approve of Hitler too, as hard as that might be for some people to believe.

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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 1:11 PM 

Just because you harbor an antipathy for Hitler, you're going to shun and eschew all German-made products? Confused

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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 1:14 PM 

I never said that. If you read what i typed very slowly, you'll understand that all i was saying is that one doesn't have to be Jewish to hold that sentiment....nice try.

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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 1:23 PM 

The FACT, Gendison, is that FRANK is Roman Catholic and Italian. As Bean said, that doesn't say much about Estelle.There simply isn't enough evidence to make a certain determination. It feels like a mixed marriage and according to Jewish tradition, children born to a Jewish mother are Jewish.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 2:03 PM 

I hate to nitpick. OK, I love to nitpick. I think that it can be agreed that Frank was a Catholic, he being a member of the Knight of Columbus. My father was a member and you GOTTA be Catholic to join. He being an Italian has nothing to do with anything. We don't know in any real way shape or form that Estelle was or was not Jewish, nor any other denomination or religion. Not wanting to ride in a German car or being a mahjong player (my aunt can click tiles with the best of them and is not Jewish - and it is also a popular game in the Asian-American community in my area) is proof of nothing, except further proof (the German car reluctance) that Estelle is a ding-bat (ala Edith Bunker). By extension, it does not prove or disprove that George, or his once-mentioned brother, was Jewish, they having sprung from the loin of Estelle (scary imagery).

We only know that George became Latvian Orthodox (NOT the squirrel-killer crowd) after being of another religion or of no religion at all (he may have been an atheist given his "no G-d" comment).

As such, it is a mystery, the answer to which is, at best, speculative and, like most everything here, by definition, trivial. Ha! Smile

On the other hand, notice that Frank is sitting with Morty and Helen, listening to the Rabbi hold forth during a recess in the trial in The Finale. I can only assume that Estelle was, at that time, offering a little "you know" to the judge! Wink

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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 2:33 PM 

Case closed!

Moops
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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 2:49 PM 

"Just because someone says they won't drive a German car is not PROOF that they're Jewish. Other nationalities and faiths didn't approve of Hitler too"
--Gendison

That would seem to equate Hitler disapproval with German car avoidance... if you had simply replaced the phrase "didn't approve of Hitler too" with "won't drive German cars either", that would have avoided such an implication.

(Anyway, I'm just giving a fellow Seinfeld fan a hard time, okay? Wink )

seven
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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 2:53 PM 

i have something to add to this thread

in one of the episodes we see frank costanza cooking jewish delicacies for a jewish singles night this would further the case of frank being jewish and therefore george also being jewish.

....but thanks to all for trying to clear this mystery up.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 3:08 PM 

Frank is only applying his former skills as an Army cook (Inchon, Korea, 1950) in the preparation of the Jewish delicacies because Kramer was too inept to do so after trying himself (he's got no sense of flavor). And, they are serving the delicacies in Frank's lodge (KofC, not KFC).

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: September 9, 2004 3:10 PM 

Plus, the Jewish Singles Night was a Kramer function, he having taken the responsibilities from Lomez who was in the Everglades.

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