SEINFELD BLOG

Well, the reason it doesn't hold water is because I haven't heard one person yet (on TV anyway) say that they'd vote based on race or gender because they had no other reasons to prefer one over another... just that they simply want an African or a woman elected... period. "Fine, just quit whining about racism then, ya f*cking hypocrites."

Unfortunately, all things aren't equal. We've had plenty of male presidents. We've had plenty of white presidents. Borrrrrrring. In a male-female contest, someone who votes for the man because he's the man--because that voter would never vote for a woman to be president--makes no sense to me. Passing over a woman who best represents your views simply because she isn't a man--i.e., holding her gender against her--makes no sense.

Voting for the woman because there's never been a female president, so why not now, is different, assuming she's a viable candidate and is presidential material. (Hillary is both.) Seeing Hillary's gender as a plus among many plusses is different than people voting for her because she isn't a man, because they never vote for men.

Some people will vote for Obama because they only vote for black candidates. I put them in the same category as white people who discriminate against black candidates. They're racists. Some people will vote for Hillary because they would never vote for a man. They're sexists.

And some people will vote for Romney because they would never vote for any of the others. They're baldists.

Jimmy, I forgot to address your main point, which was the hypocrisy. I agree with you 100%. Hypocrisy is indefensible. We might differ, however, on who is a hypocrite.

At the risk of prolonging this interminably...

I plan to vote for Edwards in the California primary. But if I voted for Obama, either I wouldn't take his blackness into account or I would view it as one plus-factor among many. If I saw his race as one plus-factor among many, I wouldn't consider myself to be a hypocrite if I blasted someone for refusing to take anything but Obama's race into account.

There are black voters who might've voted for Obama, but voted for Clinton or Edwards instead because they didn't think Obama could win. They didn't want to throw their votes away. Any of them would be a hypocrite if he/she criticized a white person for voting against Obama simply because of his race.

I think Maxine Waters said it best today, after being asked about the Clinton's "alleged" race card, when she replied to Norah Odonnell that she wouldn't answer, or discuss it with her or anyone else, and that she and the rest of the media shouldn't be discussing race either. Bravo, it's about time someone told them.

Not surprising, however, that they don't replay her interview. I guess there's no time available what with all of the Clinton-bashing time needed. Chris Matthews and Co. are probably already preparing their Obama-bashing material in the event he gets the nomination. That way they can f*ck him over too, the way they did Hillary, and Kerry... then piss and moan when a Republican gets into the White House again. Losers.

Well I don't disagree with anything in Reply 21 or 24 unless I unintentionally implied otherwise. I'm merely saying that if one wants to admit voting for their race or gender only to oppose having another white male, then fine... they're free to do so. But they shouldn't then blame someone for pointing out that Jesse Jackson could have won that way after they've just advertised the fact that they do in fact vote that way. It's unbelievable. And I'm talking about specific individuals I've seen and heard... not all or most blacks and women. I never meant to suggest that I knew how the black or female population votes, or why... because I don't. And I don't think it should even be polled or measured because it causes candidates to pander, change their stances depending on where they are, and unfairly sways voters.

Sing it, sister.

How am I gonna fill two hours?

Well, Edwards dropped out today, the bastard. So here we go again with the quadrennial shifting of allegiances. Reluctantly, I was a Kucinich man for about two nanoseconds before the midget dropped out. So, I switched to Edwards. He flaked, so now I'm switching to Obama. I can't vote for Hillary quite yet, because no matter what else, I can't get past her war votes.

I don't like either, but I do like Bill. Does he come included or is he sold separately?

I think HE prefers being sold separately...

I like Bill, too, but I don't think he's going to be much help if she becomes president. Hillary has her own ideas, and she's a ball-buster. She won't listen to Bill on policy. If she wins the nomination, I'll hold my nose and choose her over McCain. Despite how much hardcore conservatives have disowned McCain, he's more conservative than Hillary. Not by a lot, but enough for me.

Agreed. But if John McCain did become president, at least I wouldn't feel like leaving the country and turning down the sound every time he speaks, like I've been doing for the past 7 years with this asshole. Whatever happens, that stupid prick will be gone once and for all.

Hear, hear.

Iam glad to see what appears to be many of you here are Democrats.
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