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PostPosted: November 24, 2004 9:52 AM 

I am dying to buy these DVDs, but I have a question first. Is there any chance that there will be another version of these put out? Like in a widescreen format or something like that? I'd hate to buy these only to have a better version come out and want to buy them again. Thanks.

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Jose
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PostPosted: November 24, 2004 10:57 AM 

The show was not shot in widescreen.

Marine Biologist
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PostPosted: November 24, 2004 1:15 PM 

It was shot in 35mm Panavision, but in the 3:2 regular TV aspect ratio. So you'll never see a widescreen version. Theoretically they could produce a true hi-definition version from the original film stock when a hi-def DVD format like Blu-ray emerges, but realistically, just go out and buy the DVD Laughing

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PostPosted: November 24, 2004 2:36 PM 

Well, interestingly enough, I was concerned about this same thing, however, I have a Sony widescreen LCD display, and curiously enough, the DVD's have layed in quasi widescreen mode that is just as good as regular widescreen...it actually looks better in this "stretch" mode or however it happens than in the square box version I can also get.

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PostPosted: November 24, 2004 3:32 PM 

Actually on the back of the DVD box it says "presented in HDTV", or something like that, marine biologist.

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PostPosted: November 25, 2004 1:17 AM 

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Actually on the back of the DVD box it says "presented in HDTV"

Isn't marketing BS wonderful Laughing Laughing

The frame resolution of the Seinfeld DVD's is exactly the same as any good quality NTSC DVD: exactly 720 x 576, and if it was carefully made progressive scan would make it look pretty good on an HDTV system but this is not by any means true HDTV, which requires massively greater bandwidth and a new generation of DVD media.

Jason, the "quasi widescreen" is a selective distortion mode that is a property of most widescreen TV's, it has nothing to do with the DVD.

They did a pretty good job of cleaning up and mastering the original material, and these are great DVD's, but they are not magical and are no different than any other well mastered DVD's Smile

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PostPosted: November 29, 2004 2:49 PM 

Mr. Marine Biologist, I need to inform you that you are incorrect on both accounts.

Firstly, I'll just say, don't put any money down on a bet that there will be no widescreen version.

Secondly, the original show was filmed on 35mm stock, then transfered to 1" video, edited to a 1" master and that's what has been airing since the show's beginning.

When they say "presented in HDTV" - they mean it.

They went back to the original 35mm film elements and cut them like a movie to match the original aired masters. Once they had completed film reels they transferred them to high definition. For the DVDs, they actually had to down-convert them.

Need proof? Look for the easter egg that shows the comparison of the video master to the high definition transfer. That's the actual test that convinced Sony & Castlerock to go back and cut the original 35mm stock.

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PostPosted: November 29, 2004 4:29 PM 

Mr. MV, you are simply not interpreting the terminology accurately. I never said the Seinfeld videos didn't look nice and clear, I said they were not HDTV. And I was not talking about the intermediate processes they were using, but about what we as consumers actually purchase.

I interpret "High Definition" to mean "Digital High Definition TV", or HDTV, which has a pixel resolution of 1920 by 1080 and a typical MPEG2 compressed bitstream rate that is more than 6 times that of a standard DVD. There isn't even an accepted standard for such a DVD system yet, although Blu-Ray seems to be a front-runner (interestingly, a standard that is endorsed by Columbia-Tristar, although I doubt they are would re-release Seinfeld in this format -- it's their films they have in mind). If you don't believe the difference between the best of today's DVD's and HDTV is like night and day, then you haven't watched HDTV.

You can read about the basics here http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1611093,00.asp
and follow links about Blu-Ray and other standards here http://www.hddvd.org/hddvd/

Yes, they went back to the 35mm masters to maximize quality, and yes, there is obviously sufficient resolution there to produce HDTV content. What's missing is that there is no way to deliver this content to the consumer with today's technology. As you said yourself, "...for the DVDs, they actually had to down-convert them". That's my point -- they should not be advertising "High Definition" when what the consumer is getting is just normal DVD resolution. That's just marketing hype.

As for widescreen, as I said, the episodes were filmed in 35mm Panavision but the Panavision system has a lot of options, and since this was for TV it was filmed using the standard TV aspect ratio (3:2). As there are no widescreen masters, the only way they could produce widescreen is by cropping the top and bottom of the image (essentially, pan-and-scan the 3:2 format to get 16:9). That's not widescreen, that's the same abomination as panning and scanning a widescreen movie to get it to fit on a standard TV screen, only in reverse. They may end up having to do that if they are ever inclined to release a HDTV version which of course is 16x9 by default, but I doubt that will happen.

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PostPosted: November 29, 2004 5:01 PM 

Quoted by Marine biologist:
"As for widescreen, as I said, the episodes were filmed in 35mm Panavision but the Panavision system has a lot of options, and since this was for TV it was filmed using the standard TV aspect ratio (3:2). As there are no widescreen masters, the only way they could produce widescreen is by cropping the top and bottom of the image (essentially, pan-and-scan the 3:2 format to get 16:9). That's not widescreen, that's the same abomination as panning and scanning a widescreen movie to get it to fit on a standard TV screen, only in reverse. They may end up having to do that if they are ever inclined to release a HDTV version which of course is 16x9 by default, but I doubt that will happen."

Again, I say, don't place any bets. That's exactly what they did and they're waiting in the wings.

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PostPosted: November 29, 2004 6:24 PM 

I saw the Seinfeld special on NBC in HDTV and everything except clips from the show was in widescreen.

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PostPosted: December 22, 2004 11:16 PM 

So I have a question though. Wouldn't you need an HD DVD player to even view these in HDTV since the Y/Cr/Cb ports can only output 480p on standard dvd players now. I guess if you had the samsung dvd-hd841 then you could output 1080i or 720p, but how else could you do it right now? or is it just formatted like that for the future?

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PostPosted: January 4, 2005 11:03 PM 

The high defintion version will be on Sony's upcoming Blu-Ray DVD.

Everybody be careful when the high definition DVD players come out next year.

Let's not make the same mistake we made in the late 70's by picking VHS over the more superior product Beta.

For high definition DVD, definitely go for the Sony product this time - Blu-Ray!


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PostPosted: April 26, 2005 11:45 AM 

http://www.hdtvdevices.com

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PostPosted: April 26, 2005 8:17 PM 

I never had a really good pickle.

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PostPosted: April 26, 2005 9:40 PM 

Snapple?


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