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Gack







PostPosted: May 9, 2005 10:15 PM 


five bucks to anyone who can start some sort of new thread that is, yanno, interesting and whatnot. i don't have the power, nor do i have the skills. so i'm begging you. for the love of god, we need something new!

uncle stan wants YOU!

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: May 9, 2005 11:03 PM 

I hear thee.

Jimmy


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PostPosted: May 9, 2005 11:45 PM 

No, no.... No, no, no. We're staying on Jimmy. We haven't solved anything yet.

cousin jeffrey
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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 12:58 AM 

Well, i wasn't going to say anything, but this place has gotten pretty dull. We need some confrontation.

Gack!! My people tell me you stink. Maybe it's time to put the kibosh on Mr. Gack. It's like 2:00 in the morning, so please excuse my pointless post. That's a lot of p's.

How about this....you own an antique store........

Anonymous
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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 5:09 AM 

"Well, i wasn't going to say anything, but this place has gotten pretty dull. We need some confrontation."
Rolling Eyes
What can i say, when all the cry babies were complaining about people posting rude things you all ran them off. NOW you're wanting confrontation? Give me a break!

Gendison
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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 6:00 AM 

Actually, it seems that nobody has gone away. Some have just pretended to go away, like you. But in reality, you're still here posting anonomously like the dickless, spineless coward you've always been. Go change your diapers you little bed-wetting cry baby. Boo Hoo.

Gendison
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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 6:14 AM 

......but they're wonderful people.

Jimmy


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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 7:03 AM 

They're the worst.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 10:03 AM 

..and the best

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 10:50 AM 

Actually, anon, has a point, but it is somewhat misdirected. It is a shame that he/she hasn't the stones/rack to post under their "own" name. Probably fears recrimination, which he/she got anyway. I have no such fears. I'm in this business, and I can take it.

One problem, as I see it, isn't that certain posters have attacked others that were crude. You know the stuff to which I refer, gratuitous crap like "I want it in the ass", hawkers of everything from Viagra to T-shirts, "Jerry sucks" flamers. I will fully agree, and have joined the efforts, in lambasting these scum.

The real issue, with respect to same old same old, is the potential newbies who are skewered for asking, "what episode" what "was the line", "who was the guy that played". Or, the honest difference of opinion stated like, "I thought so and so was funnier in that episode", or "the better line was". My guess is that, in the first instances, some of these people are looking for a way to join the conversation, aren't familiar yet with the site, and enter with awkward or uninformed attempts to join in. What they are often met with is, "try using the search feature, moron" or "what are you a third-grader?" - those types of responses. And, heaven forbid that someone without 500 posts should find disagreement with a few of the experts. You want to see acerbic, confrontational, and unseemly posts. Try starting a new screen name and coming on here with a fresh idea (OK Cougar is fair game!). Smile

Graze a few of the other Seinfeld sites for references to this site over past, say, four months or so. E-mail a few of those regulars and ask what they think of this site. You will find the words ass-holes and jack-ass sprinkled throughout the conversation. Of course, some wear this like a badge of honor and must ascribe to the motto, ”I may be unpleasant, but I’m certainly not boring”. It’s when you’re BOTH that people tune out, though.

Have I not been guilty, too? Yes, we all have. All I am saying is that, given the treatment afforded many, this site has far fewer "regulars" than it did when I first started here and the contribution to posts has often become repetitive and banal. This, I feel, is due to a certain amount of exclusion and lack of diversity, resulting from a frequent “attack dog” mentality. In addition, there is only so much to be said about any one topic and those that are here for extended periods have seen the same topic multiple times. OTOH, for a newbie, that topic is still "fresh" and when they dive into it with the same zeal that a "veteran" might have done when they were a pup, that is NOT the time to say "been there, done that", or "I'm yawning, you retard, you".

Again, most all of us have been guilty of this, some much more than others. I will not mention names unless I decide to flame and burn one day. But, Jackie knows that they should know who they are and, if they don't, they probably never will.

I have, shall we say, a rather informed idea that some others agree with this general theory (though some are long gone). If they (those still lurking) have the balls to post yea or nay under their own screen names we'll know if I am babbling in the dark, or not. If not, let’s work to improve the site. If yea, I have no problem taking my leave.

End-o-rant

Gendison
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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 11:15 AM 

Yeah, you're right to a certain extent, J. In fact I'd say most of what you said is right. But, like you said, it's not the regulars who have been crude. People get offended when they're told to use the search feature and then start calling people names. But the fact is, there is a search engine and people should make an effort to educate themselves before they ask a question. I can live with stupidity, but I'm laziness-intolerant.

Another thing is, like you said, when you have some jerk who is probably 9 years old posting things like "Ï like it up the ass", that has nothing to do with the regulars here.

I will admit that I used to have a very foul mouth here when I was defending myself against some coward who can't even identify him/herself, but I have made an effort and have succeeded in almost never even saying "sh*t" any more. But let's not forget what has happened here in the past. I don't want to get into a childish game of "he started it"", but when someone is ignorant enough to think that me saying "redicurous" is racist (gimme a break) and then takes the time to START A THREAD entitiled "Gendison=racist" just because they're too stupid to realise I was quoting from the show...you're damn right I'm going to make that person and everyone reading just how ignorant they are. And it worked because that idiot was so embarrassed he apologised for being such a brainless idiot and didn't come back. And I'm sure anyone here would have defended themselves the same way if they were accused of something that is the total opposite of what they are...especially when that accusation is based on total and complete ignorance. So it's easy to say that I drove that loser away, but, first of all, if that's the kind of mental midget that's being driven away from here, then that's a good thing.
And second of all, I didn't chase them away by responding to their unfounded and ignorant accusation, It's him that drove himself away because he was so embarrassed that he made such a fool of himself. So, personally, I think the idiots who don't come back to this site aren't the kind of arseholes I'd want here anyway.

So, I think everyone's blowing this whole "some people won't come back here" thing way out of proportion. Who cares if those kinds of idiots don't come back here. And then to make it worse, they actually do come back here, they just don't have the guts to post under their regular names...who needs hypocrital cowards like that.

If this place ever goes down, I'll be blaming the spineless anons, not the regulars.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 11:41 AM 

Gendison, first of all, I had no specific instance of “poster chasers” in mind when making my comments. I am not aware of your run-in (run-out) with the poster you mention. This must have occurred while I was “away”. Clearly, though, unless I was totally remiss in my making my point, I was not talking about responding to character assassination.

I understand a certain frustration with seemingly simple questions for which one could use the search engine. Most all of these posts, however, come from those not registered (yet?) or from those with very low post counts. Who among us examined the site closely, determined the workings of the search engine, grazed and searched the scripts, reviewed the glossary, the character list, and the episode comments BEFORE making a post. If anyone did, power to you, but I’ll wager the number is few. When folks DO ask such a question, and are met with scorn and derision, why would they want to come back? Heck, that person might well have been the next LEMOI (who is gone) or Bookman – both posters who can be clever without being mean-spirited. Sorry for taking your name in vain, Bookman, and I did not really want to be poster-specific, here.

I will submit that, in some cases, it isn’t so much an aversion to the laziness of the poster that prompts the acid-tongue remark but, rather, a certain level of disgust that someone could not so little more than “I” do about Seinfeld and has to ask the question, at all. In your (collective) heart of hearts, I think you (collectively) will recognize this. Indeed, even regulars are guilty of this laziness from time to time (see the Jerry’s top 3 babes voting thread).

All I am saying is that, in my opinion, a certain amount of what Gack is bemoaning stems from the fact that this can be a very unfriendly place to join. Kinda like some high school cliques, as it were. As can be the case in those cliques, “outsiders” can sometimes become a welcome addition and contribute to averting the same old-same old, if given the chance.

Gendison
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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 11:49 AM 

Granted, wé are all guilty of not being perfect, that's obvious. But let's not make it sound like no new people are made to feel welcome. Since I've been here, Cousin Jeffrey, Bookman, HateTheDrake, and many many others were "new" when they started here. Why is it that they fit right in and were "accepted" pretty much right away. It certainly isn't because they're sooooo good looking, we don't know what they look like. It's because they were able to hold their own in the comedy and clever posting department and didn't go whining that "people were mean to me" when someone simply disagreed with them. Now, if none of the new people were ever accepted, I'd say there is a problem. But. as is usually the case, a very small minority is doing a lot of whining, and some people are gullible enough to think there's an epidemic that in reality, doesn't exist.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 12:33 PM 

Whine? I like mine with a screw-top, drunk straight out of the bag.

I understand that people come and go for a variety of reasons on any site. And, newcomers like the ones mentioned contribute in many different ways to this site. But, try e-mailing folks like Rochelle Rochelle, Other Walter, Rio, Cosmo 87, Tor Eckman, Pennypacker, and Lovin’ Every Minute of it. Ask them why they no longer post. Don’t make the mistake of thinking it was because they couldn’t hold their own with some of the other mental giants of comedy that post here.

Yes, there are issues here for some people, whether others choose to recognize and validate them, or not. Minority? There is, of course, such a thing as a silent majority (or significant minority) and they may will probably speak as loudly in public now as they have in the past. Doesn’t mean they aren’t there, weren’t there, or mighta been there.

Naw, I’m not going to get into a tit-for-tat debate with ya on this, Gendison. I was trying not to inject anything of a personal nature into this, though it seems you’ve accepted that mantle (not the widow) in some way. Hell, I’ve laughed at more than a few of your posts and this is mostly what this site is about, in my mind - getting a laugh. But, now that I’ve been lumped with the “few” whiners, I’ll just wait quietly to see what anyone else has to say about my thoughts in general (with the caveat that they weren't directed at any one person, in particular). And, hey, maybe you’ll continue to reinforce my point in your responses to them, as well. Wink Like I said, I’m in this business, and I can take it.

cousin jeffrey
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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 12:34 PM 

Wow, these posts are ridiculously long. What have i done?
But now that you mention it, I have to say that you all make good points. I actually don't know who to side with. I've visited some other places (but never posted) like Seinology, Seinfeld-fan.net, and there seems to be a lot less confrontation like we see frequently on this site. But it's also pretty boring. I think i like the idea that only the fittest can survive here. It makes me feel that i'm surrounded by the "best" seinfeld fans in North America. And all the other sites are the minor leagues (especially Seinfeld-Fan.net - if you're lucky, there's a new post every two weeks.) I don't want this site to get diluted.

But on the flip side, I often feel bad for some of the new guys wanting to join who might not get the best welcome. Certainly there are a few people here who have a habit of attacking the ignorant (I like to think that i'm not one of them). And if this stuff continues, then we might only be left with about 5 people posting. Which is almost true right about now.

By the way, to the anonymous guy...If you'll notice I personally NEVER wanted to get rid of those guys. I even posted as such back when this was happening. I enjoyed it thoroughly when they were here. So i'm sure you're post was directed in general.

HateTheDrake
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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 12:40 PM 

Hear Hear. I gotta admit when I first started posting here I thought you all were a bunch of Franklin Delano Romanowski's. Deranged fat little men who live in basements watching VHS recordings of Seinfeld for eternity and holding grudges against all who dared to enter and voice themselves on their internet realm. I was close to snapping at some points and a few times did. For those of you who remember, my original name was LoadBearingWall which set off untold waves of scorn and disapproval. You nearly drove me out of Bayside. Now I realize most of you are not fat, portly possibly, but not fat and deranged. When I post a new topic I try and make it completely original and completely out of nowhere (see new controversial heretical posts) . True most of them crash and burn like the HateTheDrake Challenge, and others. (Too bad too, you could have won a water pic...sic...tick...) But at least I'm contibuting something to society!! I wake up for a reason!! This place is...the...the...the place to be! And for whoever asks questions about inane things like "what episode was it when that Kramer guy bust in through that what's his name's door, that made me laugh a lot" fine, make your post, but accept the redicule, *rrgh*, ridicule you will most likely recieve as part of the experience. But DO NOT make those posts in a thread with absolutely no reference to your question. That's just pure unadulturated down-home ignorance. Yes this means you "Mom". Why in god's name that person would ask about which episode the lobster shirt was in, in a Lewis Black vs. Jerry Seinfeld thread defies all known medical knowledge. "I have a question with no relevance to this post, I think I'll click there and ask anyway. I like metal pots and milduey mittens and string on my fingers." But enough of that. As long as the never ending quote thread keeps running, this site will still be a hit. That's gold Stan, gold!

HateTheDrake
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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 12:44 PM 

Mad Shoulda used indents and paragraphs. I feel underprivileged. Mine looks like a 4th grader's journal entry.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 12:51 PM 

Only North America, Jeffrey? You racist, ethno-centric bastard!

dustbuster
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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 12:53 PM 

I wonder if it's possible to get this thread on tape. I need that nice voice.

Gendison
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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 1:05 PM 

Jackie, I wasn't calling you a whiner. I might have misunderstood, but it seems like that's how you read what I typed.

As far as why some people aren't here, I can't control that. I don't remember LEMOI havng a problem with anyone. I thought Rochelle Rochelle got nothing but compliments. At one point, there was even a thread where a few of us were implying (jokingly, obviously) that we're in love with her and she loved it...Next thing I know, she's gone. Now, if at some point someone disagreed with her on something, I don't remember seeing that. And even if it did happen, so what??? People disagree sometimes, welcome to the real world.

I wasn't turning this into a personal issue, as you imply. Nor was I trying to single anyone out. I used my example of being called a racist because it was a perfect example of how someone got "driven out of here" because of their own maliciousness and stupidity.

Maybe some people left because they didn't like the fact that some of us hate the World's #1 Terrorist, who happens to be sitting in the White House. If someone doesn't agree with that, fine. Or if someone doesn't think that political statments should be made at all, I'll give them that and I can see why some people don't want to start having "political" threads in a site that should be fun. And that's why I stopeed doing that. But, then people should speak up and say "NO POLITICS" instead of posting anonmously that someone's a "racist" or "takes it up the ass" just because they disagree.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing, even if it's with a bit of an edge...But too many people start sobbing as soon as someone does disagree with them. I have no sympathy for babies (not you).

Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that I'll never give any respect to someone who comes in here not identifying themselves...It lacks any credibility.

HateTheDrake
Pigman

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PostPosted: May 10, 2005 1:06 PM 

It does and it comes in beta format, sorry only for the Netherlands and nether-regions though.

Contact-

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