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PostPosted: January 2, 2005 7:59 AM 

Beside being a bad actor and giving his name for the show what Jerry did for the SEINFELD..I ve just recently discovered that Larry was the writer of majority of episodes .So if that is true Jerry just took credits and money he didn’t deserve. If I am wrong please correct me.

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PostPosted: January 2, 2005 10:38 AM 

Your way off. Larry was involved along with Jerry in creating the show and writing episodes for only the first couple of seasons. But after that, Larry was just known as a co-creator. From what I understand Jerry had final say on nearly everything after that, even though he didn't participate in the writing that much.

VegetableLasagna
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PostPosted: January 2, 2005 10:54 AM 

DV, I haven't seen you around here in awhile. But it looks like you're back now.

Jose
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PostPosted: January 2, 2005 11:25 AM 

Jerry's involvement is underrated, he worked by day as an actor on the set and by night with Larry revising and working on scripts written by them or not, a script would not make it unless it was approved by both.

Simon
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PostPosted: January 2, 2005 12:34 PM 

Jerry isn't that bad , his acting improved drastically throughout the various seasons and if his acting really was that bad , then I'm sure NBC would have done something about it.

jaz
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PostPosted: January 2, 2005 2:55 PM 

jerry is not the best of actors but thats what's so good about him, he's naturally funny. plus he was involved in the writing, some episodes were written only by larry david n some others were written by both of them, so u cant say that jerry has taken credit for nothing he is a huge part of seinfeld and without him it wouldnt b the same even if u had a pro actor on the set.

Born To Run
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PostPosted: January 2, 2005 5:10 PM 

Well i must say that it sounds a little bit strange to hear that there isn,t a single episode written only by Jerry.Of course that every episode must have been approved by him but i never saw him working alone without Larry or other authors.So it is very easy to make conclusion that he is being considered for a comedy mastermind without reason.

Bookman
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PostPosted: January 2, 2005 6:30 PM 

Your original point, Born to Run, was that Jerry has taken credit and money he didn't deserve.

First, I'm not aware of anybody, including Jerry, who claims he was any kind of "mastermind," comic genius, or "the brains" behind "Seinfeld." On the contrary, from what I've seen and heard, he's been quite generous with giving most, if not all, the credit for the success of "Seinfeld" to everybody else, including Larry.

Second, Larry David would never have gotten through NBC's door without Jerry. If "Curb Your Enthusiasm" contains even a remotely accurate portrayal of Larry, then without "Seinfeld," it's very likely Larry would've burned all his bridges in show business by now. How the CYE-Larry has any friends, coworkers, or neighbors is a mystery.

Third, I agree with everyone who says Jerry's onscreen contribution is underrated. Sure, he's no actor. Who ever said he was? Certainly, not Jerry. Yet he delievered his share of funny lines in 9 years. Meanwhile, he played traffic cop, circus ringmaster, and zookeeper all at the same time. His greatest strength was to know when to get out of the way.

Did he deserve the money he got? If you mean schoolteachers and firefighters should make more money than he does, you might have a point. But if you mean his split with Larry was unfair, I disagree. Without Larry, Jerry would've continued to be a successful stand-up comedian. Without Jerry, Larry would probably have suffered years of rejections and failures until he was spit out of the bottom of the porn industry.

Gendison
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PostPosted: January 2, 2005 6:34 PM 

I thought a Ron Jeremy visual was bad. Larry David doing porn? I just lost my appetite. Good thing there's another appetite coming soon.

Born To Run
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PostPosted: January 2, 2005 6:53 PM 

What you have said really had some points but I will resume everything in one sentence and I would like you to comment it : All the funny situations we all enjoy in SEINFELD came from Larry, s brain,
It is not that i don,t like Jerry i was his big fan but i was little bit disappointed when i discovered that his contribution to scenario of the show was not 50 % but 5% or meybe less then that,

Bookman
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PostPosted: January 2, 2005 7:06 PM 

Good writers are underappreciated and, when paid, usually underpaid. Why should Larry be the exception? Plus, what did he bank out of "Seinfeld"? Over $200 million? Boo-hoo.

I disagree with your relative percentages, although I won't try to substitute my own numbers, except to say they'd be closer to 50-50. It's tough to place a dollar-value on Jerry's getting Larry through the door at NBC. Without that entree, all these ideas Larry had would probably have been written "for the drawer," only to be discovered after his wretched death by the Cub Scouts who would've had to feed him.

Anson
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PostPosted: January 2, 2005 7:25 PM 

I think it's pretty clear that larry and jerry both feed off of each others ideas and that they had a strong chemistry between them. It can clearly be seen since jerry does some of those stand up comedy skits and then we see a show based on them that jerry had more than a little influence.

scott
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PostPosted: January 3, 2005 4:25 PM 

I agree with bookman, and most of these other posts. I think the Seinfeld show was very good, but also VERY lucky, and I think that the network, other writers, and cast, deserve much of the credit.

A few examples:
1 - Getting moved to Thurs nite on NBC, (this alone made the show #1. Any show in that time slot is going to have a huge advantage over all other sitcoms).
2 - Jerry and Larry didnt have an Elaine until NBC told them to (imagine the series with only the guys - it wouldnt have been the same, & does this mean the NBC should also be considered a show 'creator' since 1/4 of the show was apparently their decision?)
3 - NBC put up with low ratings much longer than normal. Today Seinfeld would last about 4 wks. (another good NBC decision and without it we wouldnt be chatting about this now),
4 - I think Larry influenced the tone of the show, however I think it was just as good when Larry left, meaning that he probably got very lucky getting the gig in the first place. Im not sure that I am convinced that Larry is the genious that most say he is, he was however, very lucky to be freinds with Seinfeld at the right time in history.

any comments?

Jose
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PostPosted: January 3, 2005 4:39 PM 

Larry was mad that the show moved to Thurs and didn't wanted to take the notes from NBC and wanted to quit but Jerry talked him to not do that, the more I think about the whole thing the more I realize how lucky they were, like Michael Richards says the show was blessed.

scott
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PostPosted: January 3, 2005 5:48 PM 

Ive seen curb ..... and while it interesting at times, it aint no Seinfeld. Larry may be great, but in my opinion he is only a small part of the success of Seinfeld - but I could be wrong. I still think he was the luckiest one of all, being in the right place at the right time.

J. Peterman
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PostPosted: January 3, 2005 9:37 PM 

I think that NBC was the luckiest in this deal. They were given a show that attracted wide audiences and allowed Thursdays to continue as the sacred Must See-TV day on the network. Today, jokes still resonate from the core of Seinfeld's success. For instance, after the reunion show, Jay Leno joked that NBC could relive the days where people actually watched them or something like that.

Larry's contributions can certainly not be undermined as I feel they have been in this thread. The true essence of Seinfeld is principally David's concoction. Examine:
1. talking about nothing
2. characters (though Seinfeld can be attributed to some low-key character personalities, the most amusing personalities were from David's life experiences and friends, and while some may say that this is not brilliance on his part to copy from his life, it nevertheless was a contribution that was not about to come from Seinfeld)
3. storylines (again life experiences)
4. innuendos that are magnificently well-crafted
5. intersecting of storylines
6. issues that challenge the makeup of broadcasting and elevate the medium to a height in which it can compete with the uncensored giant that is cable
7. many more

DRS
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PostPosted: January 4, 2005 1:43 AM 

scott said:
"Ive seen curb ..... and while it interesting at times, it aint no Seinfeld. Larry may be great, but in my opinion he is only a small part of the success of Seinfeld - but I could be wrong. I still think he was the luckiest one of all, being in the right place at the right time."

There you have it, if it was all Larry, then Curb would be the New Seinfeld in town

J. Peterman
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PostPosted: January 4, 2005 2:57 AM 

Curb is brilliant as well. It is a purer form of the Seinfeld theory. Whereas, on Seinfeld, we were given a watered-down version, in Curb, we see the non-linear format unabridged and even more of a focus on minutiae. Broadcast was not ready for Curb yet; hence, Seinfeld arose. Cable hosts Curb for those who comprehend its brilliance.

Bookman
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PostPosted: January 4, 2005 6:35 AM 

I agree with everything you said, J. Peterman. I've written elsewhere that Curb Your Enthusiasm is a post-graduate course on the origins of "Seinfeld." The more you watch CYE, the more you understand "Seinfeld," Larry David, and his alter ego, George Costanza.

CYE is probably very close to the concept "show about nothing" Larry David would've pitched to NBC 15 years ago, if he'd gone into that meeting alone. Which, if he had, we'd never have seen either "Seinfeld" or CYE.

Notice that in "The Pitch," "Larry" storms out, but Jerry stays behind and saves the show. I'll bet you 100 to 1 that's exactly how it happened in real life.

It's a good thing Larry had Jerry to give him some connection to Planet Reality. You can bet that it was Jerry who came up with that Butler story, or whatever he did/said to make Larry's ideas more salable to a half-mass audience. We wouldn't have those blessed DVDs in our houses otherwise.

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Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: January 4, 2005 6:28 PM 

I really think Jerry is a fine actor. I mean how can you screw up acting as yourself? I never really understood why people said he wasn't good I thought he was great and he made the show more realistic.

ScottyCougar
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PostPosted: January 4, 2005 11:47 PM 

Haven't posted here in awhile, as I've been busy working on my sit-down routine. As I'm disliked enough here, I'd just like to point out that I am neither "scott" nor "Born to Run". Speaking of Born to Run here's a routine I've been working on:

"You know there alot of girls nowadays named Dylan. Isn't that an odd name for a girl, Dylan? What's next, Springsteen? Jagger? Garfunkle? Put your dolls away, Garfunkle."

Gold

Seinfeld was as intergal to the show as anyone involved. I don't think he was/is that great an actor though, as he was essentially playing himself. Couldn't see him winning an Oscar. Of course, if Marisa Tomei can win, and Harrison Ford can't...

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