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PostPosted: July 4, 2005 1:03 PM 

Okay, Jimmy doesn't want to start a bashing session of the greatest sitcom of all time, but it's getting excruciatingly dull around here with "what's the best," and "who's the best," and the same-ol' same-ol'....

So maybe, without getting too negative or critical of the show as a whole, we could disuss some aspects of the series which never seemed to work for us. Not "mistakes," but intentional, went-as-planned storylines, scenes, or clips that you could just never seem to connect with as a viewer. After all, nothing's perfect.

Now, keep in mind, that the show was supposed to be far-fetched (Elaine confined in the same jail cell with three males; Kramer becoming dog-like; a Junior Mint curing a dying man; a Frogger-like street crossing with a Frogger machine; etc), that's what made the show as uniquely absurd and as funny as it was.

But a few things about some episodes still mystify Jimmy. For example, when the Panamanian cleaning woman (The Red Dot) goes on and on about the American with the cashmere sweater, there are laugh tracks supplementing specific lines throughout which completely baffle Jimmy. What is supposed to be funny? Larry and Jerry wouldn't allow laughter with something that they knew wasn't funny, would they? Sure, there are other bits in the show that other people find funny that Jimmy doesn't, but Jimmy can at least identify what it is people are laughing at. But Jimmy has been unable, after countless viewings, to find anything funny, or even intended to be funny, about the cleaning woman's long, dull, pointless chatter. It is painful to sit through (even more so than Giuliani's spot). Was it needed for something else to make sense later, or perhaps just a time-killer? Is it supposed to be that her melodrama is boring the living hell out of George? The latter doesn't seem to be the case... Jason surely would've made that obvious. Is Jimmy missing something? At least tell Jimmy what is supposed to be funny about this scene.

We've made negative comments about questionable scenes before, but Jimmy doesn't believe this sort of topic has ever had a thread completely dedicated to it, probably because this IS, understandably, a "fan" site. But we're desperate here, people. The ship's going down (like an old man into a nice warm bath, no offense).

So... are there any other "deliberate" scenes or shticks that you could've done without?

Judge Vandelay

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PostPosted: July 4, 2005 1:28 PM 

Ever since the first time I saw it, I've found the exchange between Jerry and Gina in The Suicide about whether he should get his bathrobe ("All right, go ahead." "Nah, forget it." etc. etc. etc.) to be tediously unfunny.

The cashmere sweater bit doesn't do it for me either.

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PostPosted: July 4, 2005 1:39 PM 

In "The Jimmy," the Velvet Fog sings an entire tune while Kramer mugs for the audience. Assuming the song lasts about forty seconds, it's about thirty-five seconds too long. It's an unfortunate, but prime, example of how the show about nothing went south and became a butler show, as if it felt that "Third Rock From the Sun" was its main artisitic competition.

I'm sure there are several other such examples, but this is the one that irks me most because it drags down what, up to that point, had been an exceptionally funny episode.


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PostPosted: July 4, 2005 1:49 PM 

The bathrobe bit isn't really all that funny, but it does poke fun at people who cause more damage wasting time in an emergency than the actual emergency itself causes.

Jimmy's reminded of those who turn around at train crossings thinking that another way will be quicker, when by the time they get to another road, others are well on their way and the train long gone.

Perhaps it's more of an observation than a joke. Never liked that Gina chick too much. A little too husky.

Mel Torme singing? Nuff said.

t bone

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PostPosted: July 4, 2005 4:03 PM 

Here's a few things I find disconcerting:

1. When George goes 'back up - beep, beep, beep', Jerry just says what are you doing and totally deflates George. (I think the beep, beep, beep thing is funny and deserves better)

2. In the reverse peephole when Newman leaves Kramer's appartment then creeps back to spy on him. Newman's weird but not a perv.

3. Elaine's 'I've yadda'd sex' speech is not very amusing

Apart from that, Seinfeld is perfect

Water heah!

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PostPosted: July 4, 2005 5:05 PM 

Well, the cleaning woman's rant is not belly-splitting, but it's a pretty good build up to when she yells "And he kicked me with the other foot, and he threw some change at me!..."
I thought it was funny because it shows how of all the office affairs to have, George once again picks the worst one and is stuck with a lunatic.

Because there wasn't a lot of story in the first few seasons, there was a lot of conversation that was needed but maybe not the funniest. Like when Elaine has to break up with the writer who got a stroke. That's a very slow scene. Or Jerry's trip to Vermont.

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PostPosted: July 4, 2005 5:19 PM 

I actually liked 3rd Rock though, a lot because i'm somewhat of a physics enthusiast myself. There was one particular scene where Dick is trying to become more artistic (the complete opposite of most physics professors). So while trying to doodle an apple he slowly traces on the chalkboard while staring at the apple. But halfway through, he reverts back to mathematical expressions. It might not seem funny trying to describe it but it was hilarious. And that show was better than most on TV. (sorry for changing the subject)


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PostPosted: July 4, 2005 5:43 PM 

So the whole point of the cleaning woman's story is to show us what a bad choice George made once again? Yeah, that's a good argument for the end of the scene... but it doesn't explain the laughter before she loses it. ("I'm gettin' nothin!")

By the way, has anybody ever mentioned Dick's drunken dragging of the Christmas tree in that episode as being reminiscent of Dan Aykroyd's Trading Places scene when discussing movie refrences? Don't recall it ever being mentioned, but always think of it when seeing it in The Red Dot.

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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 9:31 AM 

Yea, Jimmy. I knew that scene reminded me of something. Oh, Bookman, I am a huge fan of the Velvet Fog moment when he is singing. I think that whole Kramer scene is priceless simply because he is such a doofus. Especially at the end when he sings that last note. That is a side splitter for me. I get your point though.

One that gets to me is in male unbonding when Jerry is trying to break up with his friend at Monk's. The whole conversation and that dork crying. I couldn't stand that character anyway but to add the crying to it just made it worse.

J. Chiles

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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 10:22 AM 

I suppose in all of these posts I am obligated to say "IN MY OPINION", lest someone ream me for being "wrong".

The whole Gavin Palone and Farfel episode leaves me reaching for the clicker. The guy that played Palone was a hack - I could have played that part funnier myself. The scences with just George and Elaine are awkward. Kramer is unfunny. It is almost like they tried to see what they could do NOT to get a laugh and then made a point not to repeat them again in later episodes.

Yev Kassem

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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 10:31 AM 

I've never actually thought Jerry's parents were very funny. The situations are comical but the characters just don't do it for me. Frank and Estelle are a riot but Morty and Helen rarely make me laugh-

I do recall laughing out loud at the "Where can I get some ice? your father likes a lot of ice" scene. In general I am never left "wanting more" of the Seinfeld's...

Yev Kassem

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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 10:34 AM 

JC- I couldn't agree more about the dog episode..

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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 10:36 AM 

I think as the show evolved, evermore situations became evermore absurd; the show moved away from its original concept of depicting situations that could happen to anybody (e.g., wanting to take revenge on a former employer); and later seasons' absurdities were more miss than hit.

Maybe the idea of Kramer basting in a tub of butter like a turkey sounded funny during a brainstorming session, but like most of those ideas, it flopped in the execution because the whole butter-shave bit went on way too long. Anything more than a single shot of Kramer in a tub with Newman shooting butter on him moved into the area of diminishing marginal returns.

Jerry shaving his chest: that was funny, possibly, for one brief scene, when he emerges from the bathroom with shaving cream on his chest. On the whole, the bit sucked.

On the other hand, another absurdity--Kramer looking like a retard because he gets too much novacaine and is wearing those ridiculous shoes--that kills. And then for it to happen again after Jimmy punches him--that kills too.

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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 12:11 PM 

The one scene that I absolutely can't stand is in "The Busboy" when Elaine gives that speech about missing the plane. I find it painful to watch, and it's about the closest thing to the 'F' show that I can think of.
My second and even third least favorite scenes are also in that same episode.

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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 1:59 PM 

The Jimmy is my fav ep. and everything works for me in that show, but that's my opinion. A lot of stuff in seasons 1 and 2 isn't so funny. Tina and Kathy Griffin get on my nerves some, The Dog ep isn't the best and Kramer is pretty weak in the early episodes, which is so ironic, b/c he then becomes great from pretty much season 3 on. Watching the DVDs, I belive Seinfeld starts hitting its stride in season 3 and never lets up. I don't think the absurdities in the later seasons are weak. I like George's Frogger ep. b/c it shows how big a loser he is. "I'm never gonna have any kids..." Laughing

Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 2:04 PM 

The Stranded. Thats the worst episode in my opinion. My favorite is the Dinner Party.

The hooker and him giggling, they are sitting in the house after the party. It was funny due to them being uncomfortable and that is relatable, but I couldnt help but think to myself, "ok I hope Kramer shows up soon, I'm dying here!"

Oh, and George stealing cough medicine and him and Jerry both get arrested. Common, they could do better then that! And they did!


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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 5:01 PM 

i really dislike The Dog, The Jacket and the Stranded for some reason...also the Pilot really doesn't work for me once the girl arrives in Jerries appartment. But besides that...*sigh* perfect in every way


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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 7:56 PM 

Yev, the only reason Jimmy laughs at Jerry's parents is because they're exactly identical to Jimmy's. They butt in where they shouldn't, make too big a deal out of everything, you can NEVER EVER tell them good news without getting shot down with a, "Yeah, but what happens if...?" or "What did you do that for?" It's so annoying to have to put up with in real life, that it's funny watching someone else going through it. Jimmy has actually LIVED through The Pen ordeal many times throughout life... just with other subjects other than "a pen." You're probably very lucky that you don't find them funny.

Where's Jimmy's bottle?........

J. Chiles

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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 9:42 PM 

The parents are hilarious. Period. In my opinion.

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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 10:12 PM 

How could anyone not like them?

Yev Kassem

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PostPosted: July 5, 2005 10:35 PM 

I guess I see your point Jimmy- My parents were more Costanza-like which probably explains why I practically pee my pants everytime they appear on the show.

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