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PostPosted: September 22, 2003 9:57 AM 

gs: Brenda Strong (Sue Ellen) Michael McShane (FDR (Franklin Delano Romanosky)) Justine Miceli (Nina) Bart Braverman (Zubin) Shaun Toub (Pinter) Noor Shic (Usha) Jocelyne Kelly (Model) Brian Kaiser (Postman) Shelley Malil (Usher) Bill Lee Brown (Partygoer) Wayne Knight (Newman) Heidi Swedberg (Susan)

Jerry, George and Elaine return from their trip to India that they don't want to talk about. Sue Ellen calls the wedding off and Nina doesn't want George or Jerry. George finds out that Jerry slept with Nina and Elaine slept with the groom. Kramer and FDR settle their score, a snowball with something extra. Jerry "schnapps" Elaine to find out why George is so bitter with him. Kramer tries to out wish FDR. Elaine, Jerry, George and Nina arrive in India, where Elaine discovers that the groom is someone she slept with and that they are the only people from the U.S. who are attending the ceremony. Kramer is angry with Newman because he didn't use his birthday wish to save Kramer from FDR. George "schnapps" Elaine to find out the secret Elaine is keeping about Jerry and Nina. Elaine buys tickets to India to spite Sue Ellen by showing up at her wedding.

Kramer tries to get Newman to use his birthday wish to protect Kramer from FDR. Elaine finds that Jerry and Nina have just slept together. Elaine meets the parents of Sue Ellen's fiancÚ who try to convince her not to go to India for the wedding; after all they aren't even going. Jerry and Nina suffer an awkward pause in their conversation. Kramer confronts FDR about his birthday wish. Elaine's mail from India is an "unvitation" to Sue Ellen's wedding in India to someone whose name seems familiar to her. George asks Jerry to call Nina about setting them up on a date and realizes he must where his Timberlands every time he sees her. Jerry and George are walking down the street and they run into Nina and old girlfriend of Jerry's whom he never slept with. Kramer attends FDR's birthday and FDR gives him an evil eye right before blowing out the candles on his cake. Elaine receives an item in the mail from India. Two years earlier, Jerry tells George and Susan that Nina might be the one; Kramer nails FDR in the back of the head with a snowball; Elaine is dating an Indian man named Peter (Pinter). Eleven years earlier, new resident Jerry tells his neighbor across the hall, whom he calls Kessler (it's the name on the mailbox), that what's mine is yours.

b: 20-Nov-97 pc: 908 w: David Mandel & Peter Mehlman d: Andy Ackerman

NOTE: This episode was shown backwards in the following fashion: all scenes were shown normally, but they were shown in reverse order with a caption indicating the time frame of the scene in relation to the previous scene. Essentially the punch line was delivered and the setup was shown later. The description for the episode reflects the order in which the scenes appear. This was an intriguing concept that forced the viewer to pay closer attention than normal.
Andy Ackerman won the Director's Guild of America Award for this episode.
Kent Yoder e-mailed me that Elaine's boyfriend named Pinter is an obvious reference to that of playwright Harold Pinter whose plays frequently reflect a logical nonsense. He said that Pinter's well known drama, "Betrayal," deals with love triangles as the scenes are performed backwards in time.
Kyle Westphal notes that the part of the episode that took place two years earlier would have occurred between "The Secret Code" and "The Pool Guy" assuming that Jerry, George and Elaine returned on the air date of this episode.
Viewer Rick Marshall wonders why Jerry, the one with the cleanliness fetish, wasn't the character trying to avoid using the bathroom while in India. He also wonders about the name Kessler appearing on the mailbox, shouldn't it have been Buchman? After all, after the broadcast of "The Virgin" we learned that Kramer had sublet his apartment from Paul Buchman in the Mad About You episode called "The Apartment". Did the writer's forget about this little continuity detail? They cleaned up after themselves for the original Kessler reference in "Good News, Bad News" but forgot about the crossover episode!

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PostPosted: April 28, 2004 3:28 PM 

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F. Costanza
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PostPosted: April 29, 2004 1:52 PM 


He schnaaped me!

Laughing Wink

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PostPosted: July 27, 2004 5:53 AM 

Good night, Jugdish!

lovin' every minute of it
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PostPosted: July 27, 2004 7:38 AM 

You can stuff your sorries in a sack mister !

Lloyd Braun
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PostPosted: August 16, 2004 11:45 PM 


Come on people, come up with some good notes, not some dumbass quotes! If people wanted to read lines from this episode, they just do to the Seinfeld script link.
Note: at the end of this episode Jerry is moving into his apartment and Kramer comes over. The apartment doesn't look like it did in "Good News Bad News" and is suppose to take place before then. Also the numbers on Jerry and Kramer's doors are 5A and 5B. Before Jerry's apartment number was ever "5A" in "Good News Bad News" it was "8" and after that it was "411" (411 wasn't on the door but on the wall beside Jerry's door in the hallway) and after that for one episode it was "3A" then it became 5A.

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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 6:12 AM 

Lloyd, you need more therapy.

lovin' every minute of it
Magnificent Bastard

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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 8:15 AM 

Well Lloyd, this is the condensed version of the script. A timesaver. Serenity now to you too ! Smile

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PostPosted: August 18, 2004 4:41 PM 

Lloyd, your notes prove that, in your case, it is insanity now, serenity later...

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PostPosted: June 29, 2005 5:46 PM 

While this episode certainly isn't the best, I love watching Kramer's lollypop grow as they travel further back in time. I also loved the little confrontation between Elaine and Peter's parents.

Todd Gack
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PostPosted: June 30, 2005 12:45 PM 

I just love watching Elaine get drunk.

Bob Sakamano Jr
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PostPosted: August 28, 2005 9:09 AM 

I love these episodes that have more than just a cool script: it changes something in the way you watch. The same happened in The Opposite and in The Bizarro Jerry, they both did that (of couse, in The Betrayal, it is more evident).

Anyway: Lloyd, they also forgot that the buzzer was also different.

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PostPosted: October 18, 2005 11:17 AM 

Does anyone know why they paid such homage to Pinter? Did they expect the audience to catch on? Is Jerry a known fan?

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PostPosted: July 28, 2006 12:48 PM 

Maybe the best episode of all. Certainly the best of the last season. Elaine is absolutely at her best here. "He schnapped me"! That kills me. Maybe her funniest line since "he ..took....IT...out"

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PostPosted: December 29, 2006 11:05 AM 

I just HAVE TO comment this one.
The scene where George gets Elaine drunk and she says:"I am not telling you any more things!"
George:"You already told me everything."
Elaine: "Okey dokey"

She plays drunk REALLY well.

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PostPosted: November 9, 2007 5:57 PM 

Am watching the "forward" version of this on the Season 9 DVD, and just caught a goof. When Elaine shows Jerry the wedding invitation, then wonders if Pinter Ranawat is related to her former boyfriend, Jerry says, "It's probably like Smith over there." But at this point Jerry hasn't been told that the wedding is in India (or anywhere far away). So his reference to "over there" makes no sense!

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PostPosted: March 17, 2010 2:35 AM 

I enjoy this episode a lot. Sometimes I feel the need to watch it several days in a row.

I enjoy how they travel back in time, and how Jerry and Elaine's conversations sometimes get split up during different scenes. The two I am talking about are described here. For separation purposes, I will call them A & B.

[A]: in Jerry's hotel room
Jerry: Bless you.
Elaine: Thank you. (small giggle)
Scene ends.
"2 seconds earlier" begins new scene.
Elaine sneezes. Scene ends.

[B]: on the plane
Elaine (to Jerry): Hey, what time is it?
Jerry: you just asked me two hours ago!
Scene ends.
"2 Hours Ago" begins new scene. We can hear the studio audience laughing.
Elaine: Hey, what time is it?
Jerry: Um, I'm not wearing a watch.

I also love when Kramer's lollipop gets bigger and the beginning credits (along with the Seinfeld logo) and end credits are also reversed. This adds to the continuity of the backwards theme.

It was mentioned that Elaine is good at acting drunk. I agree wholeheartedly.
George: So, Jerry and Nina...?
Elaine: Mmm (shakes head), I am not gonna tell you any more things! (she does this while leaning toward George and pointing her finger after every word she says)
George: But you already told me everything!
Elaine: Okey dokey.

The Betrayal is definitely one of the best episodes of Seinfeld I have ever seen. And I've seen em all. Several times.

Tony Abato
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PostPosted: March 17, 2010 2:37 AM 

oh and I love the "G'night Jugdish!" Elaine exclaims when looking through the slats in his door.


PS. I wanna overhaul your car's entire engine, but this is gonna take a major commitment from you.

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PostPosted: March 17, 2010 2:54 AM 

EDIT: sorry about that minor mistake in my first post. It's TWO MINUTES AGO not TWO HOURS AGO. I just needed a refresh on the script.

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PostPosted: June 24, 2010 10:01 PM 

A movie was released in 2000 called Memento. It is a murder mystery played out just like Seinfeld's "The Betrayal". One of my favorites.

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PostPosted: January 27, 2013 2:10 AM 

I need help NOW!!!

So, I was looking at the back of my Season 9 Seinfeld disc, and it said it had the option of showing "The Betrayal" 'frontwards', if you will. So I searched every DVD in the case in search of this awesome feature, but I cannot find it. PLEASE HELP!!!



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