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PostPosted: September 16, 2003 7:11 PM 

gs: Fred Pinkard (Newsstand Guy) Frank Novak (Clerk) Mark Holton (David) Suzy Soro (Barbara) Kathryn Kates (Counterwoman) S. Marc Jordan (Man in Bakery) Langdon Bensing (Man on Street) Sayed Badreya (Foreign Man) Amjad J. Oaisen (Hussein) Roger Eschbacher (Man with Cane)

The gang struggles to find gifts for a dinner party. Jerry and Elaine stop at a bakery to get a cake, but they forget to take a number and lose the chocolate pastry and the one they get has a hair on it. Kramer and George try to get the wine but must get change for a $100 dollar bill and wait for a double-parker to return to his car.

b: 03-Feb-94 pc: 514 w: Larry David d: Tom Cherones

jon
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PostPosted: November 16, 2003 12:42 PM 

the babka episode is one of the greatest seinfeld episodes it has more than enough material and it the episode in general flows nicely, I'd have to say its up there with the soup nazi

simon
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PostPosted: January 10, 2004 5:56 PM 

KRAMER: "…well of course I noticed it too with those cannibal(?) breasts and those pouty lips. I don't have to tell you she was a knock out…."

I think that was supposed to be "ample breasts"

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PostPosted: February 28, 2004 6:28 PM 

this episode has one mistake i noticed.

the couple, jerry and elaine were fightin with in the bakery, had the number 47.After they were taking the number about four people took a number as well (even elaine mentioned that at least 3 ppl were ahead of them. But when the number 49 was called out, jerry and elaine had it, which means they only had one person before them.. odd init Wink

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PostPosted: March 11, 2004 3:43 PM 

How can you go around without carrying a wallet?

Oh, I get by..

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PostPosted: March 12, 2004 8:21 AM 

The black and the white halves of the cookie kept changing sides in Jerry's hand.

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PostPosted: April 9, 2004 12:24 AM 

Then it changed in his stomach!

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PostPosted: April 9, 2004 8:49 AM 

Well, it was like having David Duke and Farrakhan down there. Wink

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PostPosted: April 9, 2004 2:58 PM 


KRAMER: "Hey, anybody got change for a hundred?"

GEORGE: "Hey, hey What are you doing!? You'll get us killed!"

KRAMER: What?

GEORGE: "Don't go shouting we got a hundred dollar bill. People will be jumping out of windows after us!"


Laughing Razz

David Duke is a malignant narcissist.
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PostPosted: May 16, 2004 4:32 AM 

David Duke is a malignant narcissist.

He invents and then projects a false, fictitious, self for the world to fear, or to admire. He maintains a tenuous grasp on reality to start with and the trappings of power further exacerbate this. Real life authority and David Duke’s predilection to surround him with obsequious sycophants support David Duke’s grandiose self-delusions and fantasies of omnipotence and omniscience.
David Duke's personality is so precariously balanced that he cannot tolerate even a hint of criticism and disagreement. Most narcissists are paranoid and suffer from ideas of reference (the delusion that they are being mocked or discussed when they are not). Thus, narcissists often regard themselves as "victims of persecution".
Duke fosters and encourages a personality cult with all the hallmarks of an institutional religion: priesthood, rites, rituals, temples, worship, catechism, and mythology. The leader is this religion's ascetic saint. He monastically denies himself earthly pleasures (or so he claims) in order to be able to dedicate himself fully to his calling.
Duke is a monstrously inverted Jesus, sacrificing his life and denying himself so that his people - or humanity at large - should benefit. By surpassing and suppressing his humanity, Duke became a distorted version of Nietzsche's "superman".
But being a-human or super-human also means being a-s*xual and a-moral.
In this restricted sense, narcissistic leaders are post-modernist and moral relativists. They project to the masses an androgynous figure and enhance it by engendering the adoration of nudity and all things "natural" - or by strongly repressing these feelings. But what they refer to, as "nature" is not natural at all.
Duke invariably proffers an aesthetic of decadence and evil carefully orchestrated and artificial - though it is not perceived this way by him or by his followers. Narcissistic leadership is about reproduced copies, not about originals. It is about the manipulation of symbols - not about veritable atavism or true conservatism.
In short: narcissistic leadership is about theatre, not about life. To enjoy the spectacle (and be subsumed by it), the leader demands the suspension of judgment, depersonalization, and de-realization. Catharsis is tantamount, in this narcissistic dramaturgy, to self-annulment.
Narcissism is nihilistic not only operationally, or ideologically. Its very language and narratives are nihilistic. Narcissism is conspicuous nihilism - and the cult's leader serves as a role model, annihilating the Man, only to re-appear as a pre-ordained and irresistible force of nature.
Narcissistic leadership often poses as a rebellion against the "old ways" - against the hegemonic culture, the upper classes, the established religions, the superpowers, the corrupt order. Narcissistic movements are puerile, a reaction to narcissistic injuries inflicted upon David Duke like (and rather psychopathic) toddler nation-state, or group, or upon the leader.
Minorities or "others" - often arbitrarily selected - constitute a perfect, easily identifiable, embodiment of all that is "wrong". They are accused of being old, they are eerily disembodied, they are cosmopolitan, they are part of the establishment, they are "decadent", they are hated on religious and socio-economic grounds, or because of their race, s*xual orientation, origin ... They are different, they are narcissistic (feel and act as morally superior), they are everywhere, they are defenseless, they are credulous, they are adaptable (and thus can be co-opted to collaborate in their own destruction). They are the perfect hate figure. Narcissists thrive on hatred and pathological envy.
This is precisely the source of the fascination with Hitler, diagnosed by Erich Fromm - together with Stalin - as a malignant narcissist. He was an inverted human. His unconscious was his conscious. He acted out our most repressed drives, fantasies, and wishes. He provides us with a glimpse of the horrors that lie beneath the veneer, the barbarians at our personal gates, and what it was like before we invented civilization. Hitler forced us all through a time warp and many did not emerge. He was not the devil. He was one of us. He was what Arendt aptly called the banality of evil. Just an ordinary, mentally disturbed, failure, a member of a mentally disturbed and failing nation, who lived through disturbed and failing times. He was the perfect mirror, a channel, a voice, and the very depth of our souls.
Duke prefers the sparkle and glamour of well-orchestrated illusions to the tedium and method of real accomplishments. His reign is all smoke and mirrors, devoid of substances, consisting of mere appearances and mass delusions. In the aftermath of his regime - Duke having died, been deposed, or voted out of office - it all unravels. The tireless and constant prestidigitation ceases and the entire edifice crumbles. What looked like an economic miracle turns out to have been a fraud-laced bubble. Loosely held empires disintegrate. Laboriously assembled business conglomerates go to pieces. "Earth shattering" and "revolutionary" scientific discoveries and theories are discredited. Social experiments end in mayhem.
It is important to understand that the use of violence must be ego-syntonic. It must accord with the self-image of David Duke. It must abet and sustain his grandiose fantasies and feed his sense of entitlement. It must conform David Duke like narrative. Thus, David Duke who regards himself as the benefactor of the poor, a member of the common folk, the representative of the disenfranchised, the champion of the dispossessed against the corrupt elite - is highly unlikely to use violence at first. The pacific mask crumbles when David Duke has become convinced that the very people he purported to speak for, his constituency, his grassroots fans, and the prime sources of his narcissistic supply - have turned against him. At first, in a desperate effort to maintain the fiction underlying his chaotic personality, David Duke strives to explain away the sudden reversal of sentiment. "The people are being duped by (the media, big industry, the military, the elite, etc.)", "they don't really know what they are doing", "following a rude awakening, they will revert to form", etc. When these flimsy attempts to patch a tattered personal mythology fail, David Duke becomes injured. Narcissistic injury inevitably leads to narcissistic rage and to a terrifying display of unbridled aggression. The pent-up frustration and hurt translate into devaluation. That which was previously idealized - is now discarded with contempt and hatred. This primitive defense mechanism is called "splitting". To David Duke, things and people are either entirely bad (evil) or entirely good. He projects onto others his own shortcomings and negative emotions, thus becoming a totally good object. Duke is likely to justify the butchering of his own people by claiming that they intended to kill him, undo the revolution, devastate the economy, or the country, etc. The "small people", the "rank and file", and the "loyal soldiers" of David Duke - his flock, his nation, and his employees - they pay the price. The disillusionment and disenchantment are agonizing. The process of reconstruction, of rising from the ashes, of overcoming the trauma of having been deceived, exploited and manipulated - is drawn-out. It is difficult to trust again, to have faith, to love, to be led, to collaborate. Feelings of shame and guilt engulf the erstwhile followers of David Duke. This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder.

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PostPosted: May 19, 2004 1:20 PM 

What character did he play? Rolling Eyes

Suzy Soro
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PostPosted: June 13, 2004 2:19 PM 

I have to go watch my tape of that scene in the bakery because I never noticed that the numbers were out of order. Nobody on set mentioned it and Larry David is really good with details like that.

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PostPosted: June 14, 2004 8:10 AM 

Suzy,

You say that "nobody on set mentioned it". Does that mean that you were there ?

Suzy Soro
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PostPosted: June 14, 2004 10:25 PM 

I played Barbara Benedict, the girl that got the last chocolate babka! I'm a standup comic and knew Jerry and Larry David from the New York clubs. I was also in the first Curb Your Enthusiasm playing myself. (I'm wearing sunglasses and Larry makes fun of me because I'm wearing them during lunch)

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PostPosted: June 15, 2004 7:38 AM 

That's cool. Please stick around and post some more. I'll have to go back and watch that first ep of CYE again and look for you. I have seen The Dinner Party many times. Excellent episode.


ELAINE: Oh, oh, fine, go ahead. But listen let me tell you something as soon as I get there I'm going to tell everyone what a jerk you are.

BARBARA: Well, I'll be there ahead of you and I'LL be telling them what a jerk YOU are. . . . I'll have the chocolate Babka.

CLERK: You're lucky Mrs. Benedict it's our last one.

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PostPosted: June 15, 2004 5:58 PM 

Did you quote that dialogue exchange between me and Elaine from memory? If so, that's impressive.

The following happened to me about a year and a half ago. I had surgery and the anesthesiologist recognized me from Seinfeld because he was a big fan. He was quoting lines from some of the shows as he was loading me up with IV's. After the surgery he came into my room and lowered his head and said, "I don't know how else to tell you this, but I have some bad news." I was such a MESS. I couldn't believe I had no family with me, no friends, nothing, and this guy is going to give me bad news?!?

He looks at me and says, "I'm afraid we dropped a Junior Mint inside you."

He thought he was hilarious. I thought I was having a heart attack...

Suzy Soro
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PostPosted: June 15, 2004 6:28 PM 

Did you remember all that dialogue from memory? Pretty impressive if you did. Seinfeld fans are amazing.

About a year and a half ago I had surgery and my anesthesiologist was a huge fan of the show and recognized me. As he was loading me up with IV's, he was quoting lines from various shows.

After my surgery he came into my room and said he had some bad news. I couldn't believe that I was all alone, no family or friends present and he was going to give me bad news! He looked down and said, "I'm really sorry, but we dropped a Junior Mint in you."

He thought he was hilarious, I thought I was going to have a stroke!

Suzy Soro
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PostPosted: June 15, 2004 6:30 PM 

Hey, sorry that posted twice. I crashed and it disappeared so I assumed it didn't post and I wrote it again. Obviously I don't have the memory you have or I would have written it the same way the second time...

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PostPosted: June 15, 2004 8:42 PM 

I always try to quote from memory. I must admit that I did cheat on those lines because I wanted to get it perfect so that you wouldn't have to correct me. Are you a fan of the show ? Do you watch the reruns like some of us maniacs on this forum ?

Suzy Soro
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PostPosted: June 15, 2004 9:11 PM 

>>>Are you a fan of the show ? Do you watch the reruns like some of us maniacs on this forum?>>>

Yes, I'll always be a fan of the show and I watch it whenever I can. After ten years I still get residual checks and its thanks to all the fans who help keep it on the air. So thanks for that!! Suzy Soro

amy
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PostPosted: June 15, 2004 10:45 PM 

i love this episode. but poor jerry and his ruined non-vomiting streak. i think they should've just brought pepsi. would've been much easier. that's SO cool that you were on the show Suzy. i'm getting ready to watch it in about 15 minutes and i'll watch ya. cya. Very Happy

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