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PostPosted: July 31, 2003 8:35 PM 

gs: Ernie Sabella (Naked Man) Barbara Stock (Scam Woman) Rhoda Gemignani (Woman with Elaine) Mark Boone Junior (OTB Patrol) Christopher Collins (Thug) Barry Vigon (Player #1) Daryl Roach (Violinist/Cop) Joe Restivo (Player #2) Chet Nelson (Kid)

Everyone has an uncommon experience while going their separate ways on the subway. George meets a beautiful woman who distracts him from his intended destination, a job interview. Jerry falls asleep and then wakes up across from a fat naked man and winds up discussing with him, the New York Mets & Coney Island. Elaine's train stops in the middle of a tunnel on her way to be best man at a lesbian wedding. Kramer overhears a hot tip on a horse on his way to pay $600 in traffic violations.

b: 08-Jan-92 pc: 313 w: Larry Charles d: Tom Cherones

NOTE: In this episode Kramer overhears a tip for the horses. The horse he bets on is named "Papa-Nick". The Key Grip for the series is credited as Pete Papanicklaus.

Ari Ofsevit
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PostPosted: December 20, 2003 10:43 AM 

In episode 30, The Subway, there are several inconsistencies when Kramer says, during the show's lead-in:


Kramer:   "Alright, Coney Island...Okay, you could take the B or the F then switch to the N at Broadway and Lafayette...Or, you could go over the bridge to Dekalb and catch the Q to Atlantic Avenue, then switch to the IRT, 2, 3, 4, or 5. But don't get on the G. See, that's very tempting but you wind up on Smith and 9th street, then you gotta get on the R."
Elaine:   "Couldn't he just take the D straight to Coney Island?"
Kramer:   "Well, yeah."  (30-The Subway)


First of all, this is all based upon the subway line label system in 1992, when the episode was aired. At that time, the B and D ran up the upper west side, not the B and the F (and since they were sitting in the coffee shop, I assume that they were starting from the upper west side.). The N does not transfer with the BDFQ lines at Broadway and Lafayette, either. Jerry could go over the bridge to Dekalb, but not on the B or D, he would ahve to transfer to the N to get to Dekalb. Of course, it would make noŸ sense to transfer to the Q just to get to Atlantic avenue; both the N and Q stop there anways. Of course, they both also go to Coney island. But, even if he transfer at Atlantic Avenue, the IRT 2,3,4 and 5 go nowhere near Coney Island. He could just take the D straight there, as Elaine so eloquently points out. Of course, the B also goes straight to Coney Island. And the G? The G only transfers with the B at Bergen Street, and does not transfer with the R at Smith and 9th.


Second, the announcement in the Times Square Station is way off. First the BD trains do not even stop there, they most likely would have had to take the 1,2,3, or 9 train down Broadway fromt the upper west side. However, the announcement at Times Square of:


"change to D,N,RR,2,3,4,5,7,C,E,F train." is terrible.


Let me take this one-by-one:


D-does nto go through Times Square. It never has.
N-Does go through Times Square.
RR- Does, but it was renamed the N years before this episode aired. the NYC Subway had named local trains double letters, but stopped doing so around 1985.
2-Stops at Times Sq.
3-Stopes at Times Sq.
4-On the east side, this train stops at Grand Central. You need to take the S Shuttle to get from Times Square to Grand Central.
5-See 4.
7-Stops at Times Sq.
C-Stops at Times Square (well actually it stops on 8th avenue, but there is a free transfer)
E-See C.
F-Does not go through Times Square.


A proper announcement would have been:


42d Street. Change to the A, C, E, N, R, 1, 2, 3, 7, and 9, Trains and the Shuttle to Grand Central.


More: When they are all ont he train together, it says inside ti is a 5 Train to Utica Avenue. When the exit, the outside shows a 6 train. Of course, both of these lines run on the upper east side, neither go to 42d Street. If they are coming down from teh east side on the 5/6 train, the station announcement is still wrong, at 42d these line interchange with the 4,5,6,7 and Shuttle.
The shot of the subway after they all split up shows a sign for the 4,5,6,N,R. There is no place where these lines operate ont he same track. If the sign was pointint to where a transfer could be made, the only possible places would be at Atlantic Avenue or Canal Street, not any 42d St station.
Geogre gets on a 4 Train to Utica Avenue. If he were on the 5/6 train, he would not likely transfer to a 4, especially for a job interview most likely in Manhattan. the 4 and 5 stay together until Brooklyn. Also, this appears to be an outdoor station (the lighting is way too bright) of which there are none in Manhattan on that line.
When Kramer gets on the Train, he is at 14th Street, as shown on one of the posts in the station. However, he got off at 42d Street. Also, the inside of the train is numbered as a 1 to South Ferry, so he most likely is changing trains at Times Square. Again, it appears to be an outdoors station (none on the 1 in midtown or south) and there are no columns shown outside the windows, although there were columns shown on the outside shot of the train.
Elaine gets on a train at a curved platform, which do not exist at any 42d Street station.
--of course, teh exchange between Elaine and the woman about the lesbian wedding is classic.
In fact, all the shots of a stopped subway seem to have the same outside. On second gnlance, it may just be brightly lit. At the end, when Kramer is being chased on the subway by the thug, he was continually on the 1 to South Ferry, even though he got off it when he ran outside. Also, if he were returning home, chances are that he would be on an uptown South Ferry train.

Timmy
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PostPosted: February 19, 2004 1:41 PM 

what is wrong with you? dont take it so seriously.

mr.corvelay
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PostPosted: February 19, 2004 8:12 PM 

I agree Timmy, I love Seinfeld, but for christ's sake, it's like these people have no lives and all they do is nit pick the show all fucking day. Get a life, get laid, get drunk, go have some fun.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: February 19, 2004 11:05 PM 

Would I take the D, N, 3, 7, or 9 to get laid?

bill k
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PostPosted: February 21, 2004 3:16 PM 

take the A express after midnight...lol

lovin' every minute of it
Magnificent Bastard

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PostPosted: February 24, 2004 9:24 AM 

Take a taxi.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: February 26, 2004 4:14 PM 

Any scenes with Elaine thinking to herself are classic.

Anonymous
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PostPosted: September 24, 2004 6:39 PM 

Timmy is a cocksucker. What problem do YOU have? Asshole.

Gendison
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PostPosted: September 24, 2004 7:49 PM 

Wow! Timmy's post is from Feb. 19. Seven months! Man, I thought I held grudges...hehe.

lovin' every minute of it
Magnificent Bastard

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PostPosted: September 27, 2004 10:52 AM 

Yeah, that's funny Gendison. I've seen other posts also in response to a post that is at least 6 months old. Laughing

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: September 27, 2004 1:52 PM 

Not that I condone the referred post, but delayed reactions are expected as new folks enter the site.

redrules
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PostPosted: January 5, 2005 6:37 PM 

Is it only me or is the young blonde standing in front of Elaine just gorgeous. (of all the actors given credit on 'Notes about Nothing' this is the only one I am truely interested in).

Gendison
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PostPosted: January 6, 2005 5:42 AM 

I don't know the guy you're reffering to.

redrules
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PostPosted: January 7, 2005 1:08 AM 

Its not a guy, or an actor. She's the extra to the right of Elaine (as we see them) facing the camera when Elaine is stuck in the subway going through the screaming inside her head bit, and the lights going on and off.

I must just be me then.

Gendison
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PostPosted: January 7, 2005 9:05 AM 

I know, red, i was joking.

I'm a joke-maker.

Simon
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PostPosted: January 7, 2005 2:08 PM 

Well if I ever need to know how to get anywhere on New York's Subway I will obviously be calling Ari Ofsevit he seems to know his stuff.

Anonymous
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PostPosted: January 22, 2005 8:48 PM 

Who's Barbara Stock? Isn't Faye Dunaway the woman who scams George?

Bosco
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PostPosted: January 22, 2005 8:49 PM 

Who's Barbara Stock? Isn't Faye Dunaway the woman who scams George?

Bookman
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PostPosted: January 22, 2005 9:23 PM 

Please tell me you're kidding, Bosco.

Bosco
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PostPosted: January 22, 2005 10:27 PM 

Nope, but I am embarrassed. I remember hearing it somewhere, though. Don't Jason Alexander and Julia Louis-Dreyfus mention something about that actress in one of the commentaries? Does anyone remember what it was?

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