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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 8:49 PM 

After Maxwell Smart (Control Agent 86), was mentioned in another thread, Jimmy got to wondering... Who are your Top 5 TV sitcom idiots, fools, dummies, and Spazzes of all time? Not necessarily in order... just your favorite five.

1. Ralph Kramden - Jackie Gleason (Honeymooners)
2. George - Jason Alexander (Seinfeld)
3. Barney Fife - Don Knotts (Andy Griffith)
4. Jethro Bodine - Max Baer Jr. (Beverly Hillbillies)
5. Matthew Brock - Andy Dick (News Radio)

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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 9:14 PM 

Damn tough, limiting to five, and some of Jimmy's would have been in mine (Ralph and Barney), but Andy Dick wouldn't have been in my top 100, so I'll list five different:

1) Fred G. Sanford - Redd Foxx (Sanford and Son)
2) Uncle Fester - Jackie Coogan (The Addams Family)
3) Ted Baxter - Ted Knight (The Mary Tyler Moore Show)
4) Eddie Haskell - Ken Osmond (Leave it to Beaver)
TIE 5) Colonel Wilhelm Klink or Sargeant Hans Georg Schultz - Werner Klemperer or John Banner (Hogan's Heroes)

Though not a bufoon, honorbale mention to:
Buddy Sorrel - Morey Amsterdam (The Dick Van Dyck Show)


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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 9:19 PM 

Those are all damn good. Uncle Fester! Laughing


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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 9:22 PM 

No, Andy Dick's character will never reach the notorious level of the rest of them... but that character had Jimmy literally in tears every week.

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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 9:30 PM 

The mention of Jethro makes me think of the first two or three seasons of the Hillbillies, when everything "civilized" was still new to them. Absolutley priceless.

From the first episode, after the oil man had purchased Jed's hill place (paraphrased):

Aunt Pearl: So how much did Jed get for that ole swamp land?

Grannie: A hunderd

Aunt Pearl: A hundred? Why, I knew that Jed would get hisself slickered.

Grannie: That oil man seemed to put great stock in that they was some new fangled kinda dollars.

Aunt Pearl: New kinda dollars? What kinda dollars:

Grannie: Mil ee on dollars.

(Pearl faints dead-away)

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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 9:33 PM 

1. Gilligan (probably more nostalgic than anything else. But I did see a few re-runs recently, and he actually was damn good at physical comedy and double-take type stuff.)

2. Maxwell Smart ( Would you believe....etc...also, great on the facial sruff... I think George does a direct Max when he's talking about "I invented it's not you it's me" and then says "but you'll never find out"...the face he makes right after that IS a classic Max realising he's an idiot.)

3. Frank on M*A*S*H* (A great actor who played a great idiot)

4. Kramer (developed into more than a buffoon, but still great at being a total fool)

5. Ralph Cramden (Probably the model for most sit-com co-star idiots)


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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 9:39 PM 

Wow, how could Jimmy forget Gilligan. Jackie's right... five is too tough.

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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 9:42 PM 

Yeah, I could list about 15, or so. Frank Burns WAS a great part.

How about Jim Ignatowski - Christopher Lloyd (Taxi)?! Smile

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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 9:50 PM 

Maybe this one falls into Jimmy's Andy Dick category, but one from a show that I really liked (though I may have been the ONLY one) was:

Jamie Coleman - Rob Schneider (Men Behaving Badly)


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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 9:55 PM 

Yeah... and Woody and Coach on Cheers! Damn... there are so many.

Jamie Coleman... Jimmy would probably tie him with Andy Dick's number 5 position. He was out of control.

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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 9:57 PM 

I loved that Men Behaving Badly, maybe it came too soon. I think it would go bigger now.

Ah yes, The Coach!!!!!!

Dan Fielding - John Laroquette (Night Court)


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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 9:58 PM 

Jimmy needs to win the lotto just to buy the DVDs he wants. Screw going outside. Whats out there that's so special?


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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 10:01 PM 

Awhile ago we listed our top five or so sitcoms and Men Behaving Badly was one of Jimmys. Forgot about it this time.

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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 10:02 PM 

I don't mean to dominate, here, but I have just pimp-slapped myself for forgetting one of my all-time favorites, from one of my all-time favorite shows:

Stanley Wojciehowicz - Maxwell Gail (Barney Miller)

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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 10:09 PM 

Jimmy might be interested to know that there was a version oF MBB in the UK, too. My uncle had tapes of it and it was even MORE outlandish (though I thought Rob Schneider was definitive in his role - screw Adam Sandler, he's a no-talent compared to Schneider, who never seemed to be given credit).

Luther Van Dam - Jerry Van Dyke (COach)


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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 10:13 PM 

Yeah, when Jimmy was looking for the MBB DVDs awhile back he saw the British version. Jimmy would never give it a glance.

Okay, here's a terrible, terrible show... and Jimmy's almost embarrsed to admit he watched it, but it's on the same level as Gilligan... Buddy (played by Willie Aames) was a great idiot on Charles In Charge. He couldn't act, but he played the moron role perfectly and made Jimmy laugh like hell. God, now Jimmy feels like a teen idol worshiper.

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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 10:17 PM 

Yes, like Jimmy says, MB Badly would probably be huge now. The timing was not right. It came out at a time of over-the-top "Political Correctness" and I remember a lot of women ragging (pun intented) on the show.
Coach and Woody were awesome, too.
And Barney Miller was a classic, too.

I was going to mention Mike Stivic (Rob Reiner), but he wasn't really an idiot in the classic sense. I'd say Archie was a bigger idiot.

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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 10:22 PM 

It was Jackie who mentioned timing. Perhaps his timing was off. Wink

Charles in Charge? You're right Jimmy. You should be embarrased. Smile


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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 10:23 PM 

Well, Mike Stivic was a highly-educated, die-hard liberal, whom some (idiot Republicans) might consider an idiot. So it all depends what side of the fence you're on. (the good one or the bad one) Very Happy

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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 10:24 PM 

George Jefferson - Sherman Helmsley (The Jefferson) is beginning to round out my list.


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PostPosted: May 28, 2005 10:25 PM 

Hey... Nicole Eggert in her teen-age prime? C'mon! Nuff said!

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