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Superman







PostPosted: March 5, 2005 6:44 AM 

Elaine was talking about the spirit world. She was referring to the old lady with the pony that died. Saying to George that maybe her spirit was in the room.

In "The Burning" she talked to Putty about religion and said she was'nt that religious. Then in another episode (cant remember the name) Jerry is talking to George and Elaine comes into the cafe. Jerry says at one point to her "you dont believe in god". She just shakes her head yes.

So my question. Is there a show that I missed something where Elaine has a religious change or it's okay that someone believes in spirits, but not god? Or am I just thinking into this a little to much.

Jimmy


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PostPosted: March 5, 2005 9:41 AM 

Elaine telling Puddy that she isn't very religious, doesn't mean that she does not believe in God. She was upset about going to Hell. If she didn't believe in God, why would she believe that someone could send her to Hell?

Many people believe in God, but think that most of the The Bible is nonsense... and that church visits are unnecessary for serving, and communicating with God.

("Putty" is from Silly Puttyâ„¢)

Gack
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PostPosted: March 5, 2005 3:00 PM 


i'd say it's more probable that elaine does not believe in god, but does believe in spirits. perhaps more probable still that the potential contradiction between these episodes is simply another seinfeld inconsistency, such as kramer's opinions about baths.

Jimmy


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PostPosted: March 5, 2005 6:48 PM 

What contradiction?

Superman
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: March 5, 2005 10:16 PM 

The contradiction between Elaine talking about spirits, her asking putty about religion, and Jerry making the comment about her not beleiving in god.

I dont think she was to worried about going to hell, since she took the fish sign off the back of the car of the guy she was seeing ("the burning").

I like to find these inconsistencies. Its kinda fun. Very Happy

cousin jeffrey
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PostPosted: March 6, 2005 10:55 PM 

so is shock therapy.

Gendison
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PostPosted: March 7, 2005 2:00 PM 

Unless I missed something, I don't see what the contradiction is if someone is spiritual without being religious. In fact, it makes sense to me. People invented religion, spirituality is a whole other thing.
Religion is what Republicans hide behind when they're being the hateful, racist hypocrites that they are. Spirituality is something totally different and much more real. A spiritual person is someone who tries to be good to others and tries to practice what they preach. A "religious" person is very often (but not always) someone who thinks that showing to church on Sunday morning somehow makes them a better person even if they spend the rest of the week being total assholes.

Bookman
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PostPosted: March 7, 2005 2:14 PM 

You stole my Jesus-fish!

Gack
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PostPosted: March 7, 2005 8:31 PM 


oy, lads. i said potential contradiction. as i mentioned earlier, yes, it's likely that elaine is spiritual, though not religious (in later episodes she essentially claims to be an atheist.) that's all fine and well, and makes perfect sense.

but i'm just saying it's also possible -- possible -- that maybe in the earlier episodes, before all the characters were fully realized, that elaine could have been a religious person, and that the writing team later discovered she'd be funnier if she were more cynical.

in the first season especially, and even into the second, all the characters were completely different people. jerry was a nice, sensitive romantic, kramer was an antiscocial shut-in, and george was the guy you turned to for advice about your lovelife. these are all contradictory personalities compared to the following seasons; in particular, seasons 7, 8, and 9.

so isn't it possible that way back when they made "the pony remark," elaine could have been a believer?

who's to know? who's to say?

you see what i mean?

Superman
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: March 7, 2005 9:43 PM 

"I see a very cheap man holding a sweater trying to get away with something."



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