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Jay Crespi







PostPosted: June 22, 2005 10:41 PM 

I saw this episode today, i think it's "the merv griffin show" episode.

Anyways, jerry mentions the "deal" we have with the pigeons (they move away from our cars and we look the other way on the statue defecation)..

don't you think it could've been a better and more logical reason we would have a deal with the pigeons?

i can't think of anything right now but I'm sure with the capacity of larry david this "deal" could've been a lot better

can anyone think a better reason why we would have a deal with the pigeons??

Jimmy


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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 7:06 AM 

Always thought the "deal with the pigeons" bit was a weak one. but it's not bad. Yeah, Seinfeld is far-fetched to begin with... but the chance that Jerry would already know of the exact same deal Georges asks about perhaps is a little too much. Maybe if Jerry had guessed something different, and then George would've corrected him with his version of a whole different deal, it would've worked better. Because then it woudn't have mattered if it was weak... it would've simply been another one of George's strange outlook on things. It woudn't have required a better idea for a deal.

But it's still one of the top five episodes. It's one of the few where each character has a good story.

Jimmy


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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 7:17 AM 

The "worlds colliding" bit (and others) worked well because it is a reality that we all know of (or should) and most of us have experience to some extent. So, two or three people already having that same theory is more acceptable and believable...and funnier. But the Pigeon theory is fictional... and for two people to have the same exact outlook on something that doesn't even exist in the first place is why it doesn't work well... but is still humorous, nevertheless.

Okay, enough of Jimmy's opinion.

Jay Reimenschneider
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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 9:39 AM 

I always liked that deal because it reflects the self-involved mentality of the characters. George is concerned about having stepped on a pigeon, so he randomly concocts that we "have a deal." Jerry, who has absolutely no real interest in George's concern is making a wisecrack about the statue defication because he likes to make wisecracks. There is no actual deal; neither has ever contemplated a deal before; but each is talking about it for his own reason and has no real interest in what the other is saying. It's funny, because it's real.

moops
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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 9:40 AM 

Didn't you know about the pidgeon deal? I knew about the pidgeon deal. George and Jerry obviously knew about the pidgeon deal. I thought everyone knew about the pidgeon deal...

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 12:11 PM 

The small exchange between Jerry and George in Monks regarding what constitues the deal is gold, gold. However, IMHO, the whole story line with George, and his girlfriend, and hitting the pigeons, and then the squirrel are weak, just weak. The Merv Griffin stuff is classic, and if basing judgement on that alone, I would rank the episode "way up here". But, the Geroge/girlfriend scenes detract SO much for me that it falls "waaaaay down here".

Simon
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 12:15 PM 

I gotta disagree , nothing wrong with Pigeon deal bit in The Merv Griffin.
The whole concept of Festivus was far more far fetched.
Does anyone else have an Aluminum pole they bring out every Christmas now ? I find tinsel distracting.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 12:21 PM 

My distaste for the George sequence is not that it is far-fetched, but that it is not as well written and the acting not nearly as good as in many, many other episodes. If far-fetched is a problem, in an of itself, you could toss out quite a bit along the way - Kramer's adventures may cease to exist. Smile

Jay Crespi
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 1:34 PM 

OK let's take a short break-- (you can see how george is holding his laugh)


And we're back!

Jay Crespi
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 1:35 PM 

OK let's take a short break-- (you can see how george is holding his laugh)


And we're back!

classic, just clssic!!

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 2:12 PM 

..when you're on my set, you clean it up, mister!

Yev Kassem
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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 3:26 PM 

The most far fetched nonsense was definetely the "candy linup" in the dealership.
Which by the way has one of my all time favorite Putty moments... "You’re the grease monkey."

moops
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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 4:16 PM 

I don't know, Kramer preparing salad "while he bathed" has to rank up there somewhere...

cousin jeffrey
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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 4:27 PM 

Maybe George being the kind of guy who never accepts responsibility, was just hoping that some sort of deal existed when he asked Jerry.

And then maybe Jerry, being the quick witted comedian that he is, came up with one to appease George as he often does. And of course after hearing this, George immediately accepts that this deal exists and refuses to accept the blaim as he puts it.

Then again, maybe it's just the writers trying to make the pidgeon plot more interesting.

Be that as it may, i can certainly relate to George's story. Sometimes i think those pidgeons would rather get stomped rather than have to get off their fat asses. Pidgeons....who needs 'em. Not to mention the Crows and Seagulls.

cousin jeffrey
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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 4:29 PM 

too many "rather's" in that last paragraph.

Jay Reimenschneider
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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 5:13 PM 

I adopt CJ's description as an extension of my own to the extent that it clarifies what I was attempting to convey.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 5:28 PM 

In the spirit of George , "that's beautiful, CJ".

Jimmy


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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 8:11 PM 

Thanks CJ. Even though you may disagree with Jimmy, at least you understood what the f**ck Jimmy was saying. As for Festivus, and the candy lineup being far-fetched...uhhhh....so what? What does that have to do with anything? Jesus H F**king Christ........ learn to f**king read!!

Gack
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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 8:45 PM 


i think the pigeon story was weak, though i must say that the part where george starts stomping on them with his feet makes me howl every time i see it.

Bookman
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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 9:07 PM 

Now, I've read this thread three times........ And every time I read it........ Excuse me for a second.........Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: June 23, 2005 9:22 PM 

I don't want to be like Jimmy. All bottled up inside, emotionally unavailable. Wink

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