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J. Peterman







PostPosted: August 7, 2004 4:47 AM 

now i'm just as big of a seinfeld fan as you are, but i also enjoy shows that are about something like friends. i just don't understand this constant friends bashing. i will, however, admit that sometimes friends can deserve mild bashing such as with the god awful episode from the last season, titled (i believe) tow rachel's going away party, but this does not qualify total bashing of the whole series. i would even consider the first season of the series to be equal in quality to that of seinfeld's many seasons. well, i would be interested in anyone else's arguments in opposition or agreement to my claim.

serenity now
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: August 7, 2004 8:15 AM 

Friends is not as funny as Seinfeld IMO.
In seinfeld you can find much more brilliant episodes that in Friends

Dr. Van Nostrand
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PostPosted: August 7, 2004 8:18 AM 

friends is like george's kind of humour, stuff you don't have to think about

Gendison
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PostPosted: August 7, 2004 10:13 AM 

Friends is a terrible show. (I guess i have to add "IMHO"). The writing is predictable, you can see punchlines and gags coming from miles away. The actors are talentles (IMHO). They were all a bunch of unknowns before the show. I don'thold that against them, for a bunch of unknowns they did pretty damn well for themselves. But the point is, they didn't have the experience and it shows in their "acting". It's fluff.
And, by the way, this whole thing about Seinfeld being about "nothing" is crap. It's about EVERYTHING. What was "FRIENDS" about? Um...lemme see....a group of friends??? Wow! Innovative!!!
And then they had the gall to try billing it as "The funniest comedy EVER"!!! Luckily there was enough of an uproar and backlash to make them drop that in a hurry.
IT SUCKED!!!

Jimmy


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PostPosted: August 8, 2004 5:05 AM 

Jimmy seconds that, Gendison.

Seinfeld "was" about everything. A few more seasons, and they would've touched on every subject known to man. Pure genius.

As for "Friends" ever being called the funniest comedy ever... Well, that's kind of like calling Prince a genius. A guy who can't sing, can't play guitar, can't write songs... People are so trendy and gullible!!! Someone tells them what to like, so they like it?

Jimmy's not fooled! Friends and Prince both SUCK!! (and that's NOT MHO! That's a FACT!) Very Happy

Nick
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PostPosted: August 8, 2004 10:50 AM 


Like Larry David I felt Friends parodied Seinfeld and not in the best fashion. The Female characters are not funny, but rather annoying. Ross is worst character on the show. Moody, and always complaining. He is like an unfunny version of Ray Romano(Everybody Loves Raymond). Chandler and Joey are funny, but not enough.

P.S I remember I enjoyed only one episode really. When Joey and Chandler invented that games a different version of Wheel of Fortune or something along those lines. And another episode when Ross got burned in a tanning place. Sounds familiar? Because Seinfeld did it better years a go. IF you watch some episodes carefully you can spot a lot of these little moments.

Bean
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PostPosted: August 8, 2004 3:55 PM 

When Friends first aired, there was a Saturday Night Live episode where David Spade played a television critic and is quoted as saying, "I liked the show better when it was called SEINFELD". Friends was a pathetic try at recapturing Seinfeld's fans after the series ended but directed at a younger (more naive) audience. Basically add two more women to Seinfeld, subtract 10 years, change the names and actors, extract any creativity, and you have Friends. Not to mention that it generally appealed to the personality of a 13 year old girl. I can't remember an episode where there wasn't an emotional relationship problem, please. Friends was less of a good sitcom, and more of a calculated psychological play on the public.

jon n
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: August 8, 2004 4:00 PM 

Friends is just unbearable imho. I just cant sit through an entire episode for a couple reasons: One, the humor just seems like I feel obligated to laugh just because of the laugh track, when it really isn't that funny and are just cheap shots. Two, they always got into all that drama and crap - if I wanted that stuff, I'd watch Days of Our Lives or some other soap opera.

Seinfeld never did any of these things.

Jimmy


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PostPosted: August 9, 2004 4:11 AM 

So... that about answers the thread starter's question... "What's wrong with Friends?"

Wasn't too difficult. A job well done everyone! Thanks, You've been great... I'm outta here!

Gendison
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PostPosted: August 9, 2004 5:14 AM 

Jimmy's leaving on a high note!

J. Peterman
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 2:57 AM 

"Friends is not as funny as Seinfeld IMO.
In seinfeld you can find much more brilliant episodes that in Friends"

While I admit that most seasons of friends do not carry the same amount of laughter as Seinfeld, I refer you to the first season where laughter was equal to that of Seinfeld imho

"friends is like george's kind of humour, stuff you don't have to think about"

Whether you believe it or not, Seinfeld had some dumb humor interspersed with its witty dialogue, more common of course in the later years; however, it still managed to leave you with a sense of satisfaction by combining many types of humor with balance. Friends did the same thing.

"The writing is predictable, you can see punchlines and gags coming from miles away. The actors are talentles (IMHO). They were all a bunch of unknowns before the show. I don'thold that against them, for a bunch of unknowns they did pretty damn well for themselves. But the point is, they didn't have the experience and it shows in their "acting". It's fluff.
And, by the way, this whole thing about Seinfeld being about "nothing" is crap. It's about EVERYTHING. What was "FRIENDS" about? Um...lemme see....a group of friends??? Wow! Innovative!!!"

I agree that the writing did become less and less spectacular as Friends progressed, but once again I refer you to the amazing first season, which had great writing. The thespians on Friends imho are quite wonderful by their range of acting, since Friends required range-from comedic to dramatic situations. Matthew Perry's delivery is great as is Lisa Kudrow's. While you claim Seinfeld was about everything, I believe that it was more about every random thing (which is why I love Seinfeld) whereas Friends surely did not encompass everything but did manage to include an essential piece of reality, drama, something Seinfeld lacked. Drama can make a sitcom good if it is balanced with enough comedy (again I believe Friends had the perfect balance in their first season). Furthermore, Friends is not merely about "friends," but rather about the city of New York and the problems its inhabitants come to face.

Gendison
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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 5:08 AM 

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.................. Rolling Eyes

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 12:29 PM 

Mr. Subliminal from SNL thought that Friends was a very funny (ball crushingly boring) show. Just a superb (no-talent) cast. The women on the show were true (pseudo) comic geniuses (cheesecake) and could venture easily (over-acting) into touchingly dramatic scenes (melodrama). I mean, c’mon, Jennifer (big chin) Aniston was carefully cast (nepotism) to play the part of Rachel. Both she and Courteney (can’t spell) Cox (slept with the producer) were fabulous (easily forgettable). Only Lisa Kudrow (a minor bright spot) kept the show from being atop the list of all-time best shows (TV scrap heap candidate) in her role as Phoebe/Ursula (tired old twin premise).

And take the males actors (girly-men). Please. David Schwimmer (monotone whiner) may very well be the most riveting (like watching paint dry) actor of our time. Matthew Perry (dumped by Julia Roberts) performed (slogged) effortlessly (painfully) in the strong and masculine role (puss-whipped wimp) of Chandler. Matt LeBlanc? He could be the finest Italian-American actor since Di Nero (Tony Danza).

The writers (plagiaristic hacks) on the show seemed to have been inspired (deluded) from above (the heroin spoon). Ever-changing (predictable as death) story-lines were always juicy (dry as a popcorn fart) and often left the viewer reaching for the Kleenex box (hurl bucket) as they tried to hold back their tears (dinner).

To top things off, Friends had a large (no accounting for taste) and sophisticated (addled) fan base who were quickly mesmerized (dumbed-down) by the sophisticated (sophomoric) dialogue. Put this all together (jumbled mess) and you have one of the greatest (most pitiful) shows of all time (last Thursday) and a rival to other great shows like Cheers (Will and Grace). Just makes you want to give them all a big hug (beat them like red-headed step children on Sunday morning), don’t it?

lovin' every minute of it
Magnificent Bastard

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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 1:00 PM 

Laughing at J. Chiles !

Gendison
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 2:40 PM 

Chiles' monologoue is funnier than anything I've even witnessed (been forced to watch to make sure i get laid) on Friends.

J. Chiles


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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 3:06 PM 

That is the poorest (scratches me right where I itch) excuse for watching Friends that I have very heard and I find it wholly unamusing (laughing my ass off).

J. Peterman
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 10:12 PM 

Well, Mr. Chiles I have to say that I disagree with you about Friends, and I hope I don't bore Gendison again with my views. First of all, I'd just like to state for the record that Friends is not a boring show, but rather a medley of comedy and drama that follows in the footsteps of Cheers and Seinfeld (yes I know that makes it not original, but frankly I like that a show combines my two favorite television programs). Sure the drama isn't perfect, but it certainly does not yield to overacting (except for the last episode where Schwimmer had a horrible performance). Also responding to jon n's comment, I would like to say that the difference between drama in Friends and drama in a soap opera is the extents of realism. Friends manages to as I mentioned before simulate a New York experience through the insight of Marta Kauffman and David Crane. Moving on, Jennifer Anniston is no poor actress, just watch Office Space and The Good Girl if you aren't convinced by her performance in Friends, which I think to be exceptional, considering the amount of character development and maturity her character had making her handle the task of adaptation. Courtney Cox, as well, has done a great job in her character (note her comedic acting in the "fat suit"). When you refer to Lisa Kudrow's tired old twin act, could you just list previous successful twin cross-over acts, and I'm not trying to attack you or anything because I actually do want to know for my own reference as I enjoy TV history. Furthermore, I cannot comprehend how you see Kudrow, a brilliant actress, as a minor bright spot, bearing in mind that she did not get the greatest stories or longest coverage from the writers. Third, Schwimmer is a girly man, but do not insult Matthew Perry, one of the funniest men alive. Now, I agree that often some of the writers could be on occasion plagiaristic hacks, but look to the first season, which had great writing. I regret that you think of me as unsophisticated merely because I do not merely watch Seinfeld, but rather include Friends into my viewing schedule. Lastly, I do not have time to argue with you about Will and Grace, which I believe is an excellent show.

Gendison
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 11:08 PM 

Like any other art, it's obviously a matter of opinon and taste, so even a 20-page essay will not change anyone's mind.
ButI do find it interesting that you qualify almost every one of your "compliments" towards that entourage of Seinfeld and Cheers wannabes with "While I do agree..." or "Even though....". So, basically, you agree that it usually sucks donkey genetalia, but have some kind of strange fetish with the first season. One (arguably) goodmseason does not make a great series.

Pouch Envy
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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 11:17 PM 

there is only one thing wrong w/ friends. its so bad that its unwatchable. other than that, its totally cool.

J. Peterman
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 11:25 PM 

Well, Mr. Gendison, my words have been taken out of context. I enjoy the later seasons of Friends, but not to the extent of my enjoyment of the first season. I suppose I am at fault for I may have subconsciously used rhetoric downplaying the later seasons because I had high expectations of the later seasons after watching the first season which were not met. However, I still say that the later seasons are of great quality, and that my whole opinion of the show was boosted by the fantastic first season. Finally, your accused flaws in the later seasons are few and minor I believe.

Gendison
Bob Sakamano

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PostPosted: August 17, 2004 11:43 PM 

My accused flaws are few and minor??? This is exactly what I said about the show in my first post:

"The writing is predictable, you can see punchlines and gags coming from miles away. The actors are talentles."

" they didn't have the experience and it shows in their "acting". It's fluff."

"IT SUCKED!!!"

HAHA!!! You call that minor??? I guess you don't set your standards very high, because that's about as bad as it gets!!! LOL!!!

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